Non-asians will never understand Asian martial arts.

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 12:45am

Thats not the issue.

The issue is that this guy is trying to make an excuse for a flaw in a fighting style by saying that it's for the surroundings.(ie using only arm power instead of body wieght is because it's too crowded to use your hip to thow a punch)
Im sorry; but if you cant throw your hip or body into a punch then you just cant fight. To be that packed would mean you could not raise a hand to touch your nose.

So you might as well learn to put your body behind your punches.

These guys rag on the style becauese CIA is saying that something bad is actually good.

**Jez** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 12:59am

who says wing chun is bad?

im not saying its good.

i refuse to pass judgement over something i have not experienced myself.

but have you practiced wing chun? have you trained in it and been brought up with wing chun? or have you seen a few guys on TV doing wing chun moves, or read up on it a little, or talked to your peers bout it?

We are not qualified to pass judgement on wing chun without knowing what the hell were talking about.

i do NOT know about wing chun

but i DO know about being a martial artist

and i DO know that a martial artist dosent jump to conclusions

and i ALSO now that a martial artist should respect someone elses art

There is no harm meant by this post. im not trying to offend anyone. but think back to the dojo where your art started. what would the master be thinking about this subject?

p.s: in a close combat situation, an elbow is also a very efficient fighting tool. (you guys were talking about the hook in close combat before)

**Torakaka** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 1:46am

Originally Posted by Jez

man, the way alot of these people on this website are going about things is all wrong. nobody is in the wrong or the right.

different arts, different experiences, different backgrounds, different upbringing, different values... you cant just box everything in like that

(eg: saying Muay thai is better than wing chun, and thats the end of it.)

there are so many other factors.

How can half these guys consider themselves martial artists?

Martial arts is about developing your character as well as body. your mind has to develop along with your skills.

This does not mean swearing at people, abusing people, or tearing them down about the art they practice. It also does not mean assuming that all white men (or 80% of them, apparently) cannot understand asian martial arts.

The martial artist applies his training to every day life.

He dosent abuse or get over angry, (like half the UFC guys)

He (or she!) goes about things rationally and looks for a solution, listens to both sides of the argument.

I'm not saying im perfect or whatever.

I'm just saying this is not the way the martial artist should be going about it, instead of debating and thinking rationally, abusing others and pouting like a 6 year old kid.

Time to open your minds, man.

who the **** are you to tell anyone what martial arts are about? It's really annoying to hear some ass jack on the internet say "you're not a true martial artist" or "I can't believe you people call yourselves martial artists!" because of criticisms or smack talk being flung around. And yes, muay thai IS better than wing chun because wing chun fucking sucks.

**Jez** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 2:02am

this is exactly the type of attitude im talking about.

could you have gotten your message across without being abusive and cursing?

perhaps not.

this is a perfect example of anger controlling the martial artist.

I havent said anything to you personally, nor have i called you names or targeted you and said "hey you, your not a martial artist, you suck"

i never did that. I am simply trying to remind some people in this forum of the values they may (or may not have) started out with when they started their art.

Why not stay relaxed and discuss this rationally? i can listen to your points and you can listen to mine, im sure there are reasonable arguments on both sides.

There is no need to get angry or abusive, obviously this is something you feel strongly about, and you are very much allowed to have your view on the subject.

In a fight, say your opponent brings the fight to the ground and enters you in a painful armbar. Because of panicking, and losing your nerve, youre tapping within a few seconds. If you stay calm and think about it, you can get your head around the situation at hand and have a better chance at escaping.

This applies to life also. This is one of many things martial arts has taught me, and others before me.

If you apply it in a fight, and win, why not apply it in real life too? perhaps you will better your situation.

And if you arent applying it in a fight, well im afraid your going to lose alot of fights.

**meng_mao** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 2:08am

Originally Posted by Jez

There is no need to get angry or abusive, obviously this is something you feel strongly about, and you are very much allowed to have your view on the subject.

With that attitude, people have allowed slavery and genocide.

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 2:11am

Dude, i dont hate wing chun.

Infact if they updated a few things it could be good.

But the fact is that many schools do shitty things with wing chun.

Same with karate. My teacher is good, he cross trained in alot of stuff; and the only ''traditional'' practice we do is kata essentially.

If my teacher can do that; why cant wing chun teachers? If kyokushin and even some shotokan schools can change and uptdate thier striking and bring it into MMA then why cant wing chun?

Yet wing chun consistantly seems to refuse to believe this.

Infact MMA and BJJ guys seem to be more open about other styles then freaking wing chun.

Wheni hear ''my style is the best stand up style'' it's almost always some wing chun guy. I see this attitude alot with them.

**Jez** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 2:27am

thankyou AAAhmed46!

thankyou for a truly rational response!

its awsome that you can get your point across effectively without being abusive (unlike SOME people)

Of course, we do have differing opinions. i dont know many wing chun guys nor have i had experience with the art.

It would appear you are better educated on the subject than me.

My point was that to openly critisize a style for any reason isnt really what a martial artist should do. surely there are certain factors in wing chun that are relevant to today?

and i completely agree with your points about incorporating other things into wing chun, or any style.

Bruce lee himself was a firm beleiver in adding effective moves from other styles into your own, even to the extent of 'having no one style'.

Its excellent for people to be able to discuss something to get a point across, as opposed to abusing others or getting hysterical about it.

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 2:33am

actually, compared to everyone else around here; i dont know ****, as seen in the Rickson Gracie street fight thread and many others.

They just tend to be angrier, so it's hard to tell.

But they know more.

**Jez** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 3:50am

well they say that the first step to becoming wise is by realising you know nothing. lol

and besides, i would rather know nothing and have a good attitude towards others than know everything and have a bad attitude.

attitude affects training.

**Iron Man** · Posted On: 1/16/2006 4:15am

Kidspatula chill out !!!..................you just need a good slapping, then i reckon you will be ok and ready to do the dishes, oh then maybe the ironing if you have time :suicide:

Steve