12/14/2005 7:57pm, #111
Originally Posted by EVIL ASIA
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Culture and values comes from surroundings and family. If you've live there for years and still don't understand why there are a lot of bull **** about MA from the west, then I guess you will never understand.
12/14/2005 7:58pm, #112
CIA, you are racist. Pure and simple. How are the Chinese doing in MMA events against other countries?
12/14/2005 7:58pm, #113
CIA, from this entire discussion, you seem like a close minded moron who has allready branded everyone on this site to be misinformed white americans without any clue about anything but their own life.
In reality, you show yourself as a racist bigoted person who religiously believe you have the drop on everyone because of your cultural heritage. While culture is a large PART of martial arts, it is not a defining part. It's like saying that the wheetos box is what makes the cereal edible. The wrapping is of consequence but of no defining importance.
Also, your complete and obvious disgust of what has happened to martial arts in america and indeed all over the world, lead you to making incorrect blanket statemens for no reason other than to sate your own discontent. Let's get one thing clear. I'm white, but I'm not american. You're asian I suppose, but I don't know your nationality. I haven't read through to see if you mention it, but I'm taking a wild guess at Chinese..
Now, the cultures of say Japan and China are vastly different. And I'm going to use Japan as an example, because it may avoid your potential "OMG UR WHITE AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING" bullshit. Japan has had many trials over the last centuries regarding their cultural heritage. However it has been kept intact due to the Japanese being rather anal about all this anyway (thank heavens). Now, Judo is a gendai art and proves something about the errors in your original statement. The fact is, that when Judo started becoming popularized, many western (even white people *gasp*) started excelling in Judo and challanged the Japanese in their own art. Their skill level grew amazingly and yet their understanding of the Japanese culture may have been little to none on par with what you claim.
However.. if you are correct, then they could not possibly have made such advances. They would require to understand and LIVE a culture from their early childhood. And in your example even have to be born with genetics to present an Asian appearance. Why did I choose Judo as an example? Because Judo is one of the arts where if you have no understanding for it's principles, no understanding for it's philosophy, you will not succeed.
And obviously, Judo has grown large. People all over the world are understanding and proving themselves with it.
Now.. I know that your idiot-statement was only about Chinese Martial arts. But failing to see that another martial art (the one I just mentioned you know) is in fact asian in origin and has been understood, practiced and adopted successfully all over the world, is simple proof enough that your comments are nothing but racism, ignorance and arrogance. And contains some kind of personal agenda rather than fact.
Up to where I am reading in this thread you are saying that you can't learn or understand an Asian martial art without living in Asia. This is also completely moronic. It would mean that all the Asian masters who travelled abroad to teach their martial art were idiots who didn't know what they were doing, because westerners could never learn their precious styles anyway because they weren't Asian.
You're also somehow magically being racist to your own people by saying that every Asian in the world has some sort of magic understanding. Many Asians I've talked to have been Norwegian. Born and bred in Norway, but I doubt they'd be happy to hear from some fool on the internet that they are fools and will never understand their grandparents because they didn't grow up in their native countries. There are also plenty of Asians who look outside their own culture to learn the culture of others simply for the fact that they are not restricted by what you claim is taught from early childhood. They do this because they don't understand what you say they are supposed to understand because they are Asian and have grown up in Asia.
This is a people issue, and you're quite possibly the most cleverly disguised racist I have ever witnessed.More human than human is our motto.
12/14/2005 7:58pm, #114
I'm not going to bother arguing with this guy. His dodge-fu is too good.
12/14/2005 7:58pm, #115Originally Posted by ClA
And before you start going off on this "THE WHITE MAN SEES US DO MARTIAL ARTS WITH HIS IGNORANT ROUND EYE AND PERVERTS IT" **** - keep in mind a lot of asians made a **** ton of money, gleefully, selling watered down martial arts to americans. If those men haddn't been so quick to sell out, we might not be in this mess. It's not just the white man with his crude, barbaric limbs doing his best to pantomime what the noble asian is doing near him! Again - YOUR preconception.
Just like your preconception that westerners know nothing about asian history - trust me, there are white kung fu dorks on this board who are embaresingly into asian culture and history.
And the fact is - this site does not start threads (often - it has come up) about other aspects of chinese culture. This is a MARTIAL ARTS site. For FIGHTING. THat's the martial part.
Now, just because kung fu is MORE then fighting in your eyes, does that mean it is OK if kung fu is taught in a way that is USELESS for fighting?
Is it OK to say, well, the guys from this kung fu school can't fight at ALL but boy are they great at other things! What a good kung fu school!
You see what I am saying? Because we are criticising bad martial arts does NOT mean we are criticising ALL of chinese culture - and no cultural factor excuses selling as martial arts that which is NO GOOD as a martial art.
12/14/2005 7:59pm, #116
The japanese will never understand baseball?
12/14/2005 8:00pm, #117Originally Posted by ClA
Originally Posted by ClA
Hey brainiac! You might want to check that little thing labeled "location" under peoples names. You'r being picked apart and destroyed by a man living in Japan. He even told you he grew up in Asia. I'm here posting from the PRC.
Too much internet porn my man. It makes you go blind. But then again...
12/14/2005 8:01pm, #118
Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
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Last time I check, Chinese San Sa against MT kick boxing.
5 fights, San Sa won all of it.
That doesn't mean anything about anything. But why you ask?
There is another MT event in Jan 6th, 2006. In Hong Kong.
But then of couse, you wouldn't know this because your world is so small.
12/14/2005 8:03pm, #119
While it's true that some gong fu masters were also doctors that is NOT a common thing beyond being able to treat the basic bruises and cuts that happen in training. More to the point VASTLY more martial artists were bandits, assasins, bodyguards, soldiers or just plain assholes.
"The Legend of Wong Feihung" is not a documentary.
12/14/2005 8:04pm, #120
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