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    Shooto comes from Catch

    'Shootfighting was created when a German wrestler, Karl Gotch, was teaching "real Wrestling" or "shooting" to a group of Japanese elite fighters. Two of the fighters, Masami Soronaka (karate, judo and sumo) and Yoshiaki Fujiwara (muay thai/kickboxing and judo) created what was called UWF or "hard style" in Japan...'

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    http://www.usadojo.com/martial-arts-...otfighting.htm

    Which means that...
    1. We do get to see 'Catch' in MMA.
    2. If you want to learn 'real Catch', you should find a Shooto or Pancrase gym.
    3. Catch does not 'make BJJ look like childs play.' (Though Shooto is all good.)
    4. Matt Furey and Tony Cecchine are even more full of **** than we thought.
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    ...and?

    I thought everyone and their dog knew this.

    Well sorry, thanks for the post, I'm sure someone did not.

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    4. Matt Furey and Tony Cecchine are even more full of **** than we thought.
    Tony's DVDs are good.
    I haven't watched them for a long time now though mainly because I got into BJJ gi fighting. And catch is no-gi based.

    The main problem with Catch is that you can't learn an art from DVD. There only seem to be 3-4 guys in the world that even publicly proclaim to teach it. Unless you're close enough to study with one of them (and for this argument ignoring who is real or fake) your better off just going to the closest BJJ school.

    Tony's DVDs do have some really good tips and principles though that will (and are) slowly being incorporated into mainstream submission grappling.
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    Another good link, this one works. The one above doesnt seem to work.

    http://www.mindspring.com/~gus_p/gus2.html

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    Shootfighting is awesome, aweome MA to learn. Gets you in damn good shape too.
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    Fixed the link.

    'There only seem to be 3-4 guys in the world that even publicly proclaim to teach it. (Catch)'
    If there are only like three or four Catch gyms in the world, how often do they organize tournaments/matches?

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    Doesn't Bart Vale have a school in Miami?

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    The Harts teach catch.

    Satoru Sayama was the one who I think invented Shooto style tournaments, but he was a student of Gotch.

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    DubhGhaill:
    If there are only like three or four Catch gyms in the world, how often do they organize tournaments/matches?
    Never.

    And there may be more than 3-4, I just mean a few FAMOUS ones. But grappling is such a small community that you think there would be some public knowledge if there was some great instructor in whatever city....

    The Harts teach catch.
    No, and they don't claim to. Stu Hart was never considered a top guy and I could be wrong here but never competed in non-worked events. His original training was by some real submission guys. He owned and operated a pro wrestling organisation.
    The Hart school is a pro-wrestling school where they teach the students the basics of submission wrestling as a base for the pro wrestling moves.

    Not a knock on the Harts, Bret Hart is my all time favourite. Just wish the WWE would get off their asses and release the Bret Hart colletion DVD. **** they are releasing Ultimate Warrior DVD in September and he sued and beat them in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FingerorMoon?
    No, and they don't claim to. Stu Hart was never considered a top guy and I could be wrong here but never competed in non-worked events. His original training was by some real submission guys. He owned and operated a pro wrestling organisation.
    The Hart school is a pro-wrestling school where they teach the students the basics of submission wrestling as a base for the pro wrestling moves.

    Not a knock on the Harts, Bret Hart is my all time favourite. Just wish the WWE would get off their asses and release the Bret Hart colletion DVD. **** they are releasing Ultimate Warrior DVD in September and he sued and beat them in court.
    I have heard stories of Bret Hart tapping out Ken Shamrock in sparring matches.

    Also Chris Jericho was attacked back stage by Goldberg(real fight/not fake) and Jericho choked him out. Jericho was a Hart student btw.

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