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  1. Freddy is offline

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    Judo's Secret Weopon

    I thought this article was an interesting article to post up. I let you guys read it for yourselves. :XXking:


    http://www.bestjudo.com/article15.shtml
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    *I am an Idiot. I am sorry for this post, I misunderstood the format of this article. I thought it was a forum post and that this gentleman was suggesting that Jigaro Kano was a fraud in some way. I have reread it and now realize that i am an idiot.*

    Thanks for the post Freddy

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    Last edited by Planktime; 12/25/2005 10:21am at . Reason: I was way off base
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    Well, Kano hand picked the some of the best fighters of the day, but even still, to have had the kind of success that he did have is exceptional. The only other possibility is that he put them in against people who he new were not up to the challenge; otherwise, the out come he had was phenomenal and a testament to his ability as a trainer or at least a testament to his ability to discern who the best fighters were. Any way you cut it, Kano is definitely one of the sharper men in MA history.
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    Planktime, the questions posed in the article are rhetorical.

    The author is repeating common asseritions found in books on ju-jutsu and then demonstrating that they are not true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Planktime
    Neat article except for the fact that it is completely irrelevant. The problem with person posting it (on the judo site) is that they didnít do their home work. It went like this Kano was a jujitsuka before he started judo. Most of his students were jujitsuka. So him "stacking the deck" by putting a jujitsu exponent into a jujitsu tournament and winning is a fallacy. These challenges were MMA long before there was the UFC and that whole mess. The first response to this guys question says it all.

    Thanks for the post Freddy

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    Jujitsu was common catch all martial art nomenclature. Jujitsu of the time quite literally encompassed nearly every form of beating someone down possible. The article is pretty much dead to rights on the issue, which, I can't tell you I've heard a dozen times from guys who know far less about the history of judo that I do (which, I didn't know was even possible).

    After rereading your post, I'm not really sure what your saying or if you clearly understand the thread starting post. You seem to understand that judo was originally just another brand of jujitsu, so I'm not sure where you come up with the statement about the article author not doing his homework. He seems pretty informed to me.
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    I guess i should re read it

    Quote Originally Posted by chris_ketchens
    Jujitsu was common catch all martial art nomenclature. Jujitsu of the time quite literally encompassed nearly every form of beating someone down possible. The article is pretty much dead to rights on the issue, which, I can't tell you I've heard a dozen times from guys who know far less about the history of judo that I do (which, I didn't know was even possible).

    After rereading your post, I'm not really sure what your saying or if you clearly understand the thread starting post. You seem to understand that judo was originally just another brand of jujitsu, so I'm not sure where you come up with the statement about the article author not doing his homework. He seems pretty informed to me.
    Chris,

    Ok i will look further into this it is very likely i am off base on this subject.

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