12/12/2005 5:10pm, #1
- Join Date
- Dec 2005
- DETROIT WHAT! (and surrounding upper-class burbs)
- Ving Tsun
Really, just how useful is sparring?
I've noticed lots of posts from people saying that "such and such is crap because they don't spar enough", or "they spar like poonanies so their dojo is crap", or "they need to spar more", etc, etc. So, I was wondering, Just how useful is the sparring in most dojos?
Now I'm not talking about arts like Muay Thai or boxing, because they are actually practicing to take hits (which I consider one of the best training regimens one needs for the street), but about Karate, TKD, or even grappling arts like BJJ.
I took Karate for a few years (and yes, from a rather reputable instructor). When we'd spar in class I'd basically always go back to the same old stuff that seemed to kinda work somewhat a little. I could throw a nice little defensive sidekick from a front position that worked great at getting under a person's defense to score. But in a real situation I could only imagine that kick delaying someone's knuckles from inevitably breaking out my teeth. What sparring seemed to teach me was to be afraid, to shy away from ever getting hit, and to passively (read: too patiently) go after points.
Yeah, yeah. I'm a *****. :new_uklia:
In the Jiu Jitsu I've done, it seemed to make everyone cover unrealistically from strikes. There also seemed to not be much in the way of taking a few hits and still going, or powering through an opponent's flurry (but my Jiu Jitsu training is rather limited).
Anyway, I can't see what most dojo sparring helps people do in a real fight. Timing? Distance? Maybe, but I tend to think that sheer and quick aggression will win out over those on most days. However, most of the sparring I've seen seems to tend to water-down one's training, and not prepare them well for the real thing.
*shrug* And yes, I'm new, so I'm awaiting the napalm strike that will surely follow. :love10:
12/12/2005 5:14pm, #2
when you expect the bashing, its just not as fun...
12/12/2005 5:14pm, #3
Well, Dagon, the answer is simple, really.
The kind of watered down sparring is not the kind of sparring we mean when we say that one's training regimen ought to include sparring.
12/12/2005 5:22pm, #4
what exaclty is VT?
is it another _ing _un derivative?
12/12/2005 5:29pm, #5
- Join Date
- Oct 2003
- Los Angeles, CA
I think it means veal tudo or veal tsun, because nothing is better than veal, and when everything is veal, yummm.....
12/12/2005 5:30pm, #6
- Join Date
- Aug 2005
- Arnis, judo, Taichi
There is Sparring and then there is Sparring
So the sparring everyone agrees on here is hard contact little or no restriction on targets. This teaches you a few things.
1.) how to take an attack and not panic/shock
2.) how to delever an attack on a fully resisting opponent. Since people on th3 Str33t are not going to stand there and let you hit them.
3) to test your techniques in a way that is as close to real life and still be safe for both operators.
It sounds like the sparring you did was either limited contact or specific targets. Remebers very few people want to fight a boxer/Muay Thai guys cause they are generally hard as a coffin nail.
12/12/2005 5:32pm, #7
- Join Date
- Jan 2005
- Lund, Sweden
- BJJ & Judo (1k)
I think he has a point about the quick sheer aggressiveness.
12/12/2005 5:32pm, #8
One BIG use for sparring: until you've done at least a little bit, you have NO IDEA how bad your cardio sucks."You know what I like about you, William? You like guns AND meditation."
12/12/2005 5:34pm, #9
sparring is only useful if you plan on getting hit. If you practice kata fast and get really good at doing it you'll probably never get hit when fighting because each move will be like part of your killer instinct. Sparring is only good if you're doing a second rate art that teaches you to take lots of hits.Ranked #9 internationally at 118lbs by WIKBA http://www.womenkickboxing.com/wikba...rch%202009.htm
12/12/2005 5:37pm, #10Originally Posted by Kidspatula
I <3 U.You can't make people smarter. You can expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there.