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  1. Jekyll is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabro
    I occasionally do kata. As far as I am aware, it is not very common in the UK or in Norway.
    Isn't that set to change over, here in the UK?

    I'm sure I heard something about grading requirements being updated to include it in the near future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickx
    It must suck for legit practitioners of tai chi like Cullion to see their art get all watered down into exercise for seniors.
    Those who esteme qi have no strength. ~ Exposition of Insights into the Thirteen Postures Attrib: Wu Yuxiang founder of Wu style tai chi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll
    Isn't that set to change over, here in the UK?

    I'm sure I heard something about grading requirements being updated to include it in the near future.
    I was actually talking to Bob Thomas who is one of the few guys who do kata in Scotland, and yes, it seems that JudoScotland is going to introduce some kata requirements. First they will have to learn it though :happy11:

    Don't really know about BJA, but I think they are headed that way too. There are some personal safety adviser thing going in the BJA and some people in Scotland are trying to introduce that here as well. Not quite sure how it works, but it is meant to be based on Goshin Jitsu, and the plan is to address it towards people who want to do self defence, but not necessarily judo.

    BJC has to my knowledge always had kata requirements.
    Quote Originally Posted by MavericZ
    Masturbating to Bea Arthur in Golden Girls reruns is NOT training, no matter what your instructor tells you.
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    Here's the learning process in Judo as I experienced it:
    Learn breakfalls
    Learn throws
    Randori
    Learn pins
    Randori
    Randori
    Learn escapes and how to improve your position because getting pinned down is not fun.
    Randori
    Turn 12: Learn submissions
    Randori
    Randori
    Randori
    OH NOES!! BLACK BELT EXAM!! Quickly, learn Nage no Kata!
    Proceed to forget about Kata
    Randori
    Randori
    ...

    We even had a few extra training hours to practice the kata so as "not to waste normal classtime".
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    Sufficient kata study and practice impose a well-defined
    technical discipline on the judoist, one that is unattainable
    by only randori and contest methods. This discipline, instead
    of hampering the judoist, actually frees him from undue
    restrictions, liberates his bodily expression in movement,
    and teaches him economy of mental and physical energy.
    This process can only be understood through experience,
    and only through kata performance can judoist come to
    appreciate judo in its fullest sense.
    Judo Formal Techniques, Otaki and Draeger
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     Style: judo, karate, jap jj

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    i asked about this.
    judo kata is a way of passing the formal techniques to the next generation (hopefully) without losing any technical know-how

    another blackbelt said something like: it made me start to use left side throws (his left side throws are now kickass)
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    Kata is mandatory for promotion to certain grades in certain associations.

    Personally, I was promoted by beating higher grades in contest, and managed to short circuit the kata. I never liked doing it.

    However, I would say that the judo kata is a good thing for the following reasons:

    1) It preserves what is considered to be orthodox technique, if you don't want to do it that way - that's fine.

    2) It demonstrates the no-gi methods of major throws.

    3) It is obvious in judo that kata is not a method of live training.

    4) It forces judoka to train throws on both the left and right - which they might otherwise not do.

    5) It preserves orthodox combinations and counters in a manner which is not likely to be otherwise recorded.

    6) I don't think anyone takes the weapon or striking kata seriously any more.
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    I've been reading about Judo Kata for so long.How is it different from applications of moves in actual training?Just from the sound of seems to be the same thing.
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     Style: judo, karate, jap jj

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    I've been reading about Judo Kata for so long.How is it different from applications of moves in actual training?Just from the sound of seems to be the same thing.
    from what i understand
    kata- set in stone
    training a technique- do variations/personal touches
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    1) It preserves what is considered to be orthodox technique, if you don't want to do it that way - that's fine.

    2) It demonstrates the no-gi methods of major throws.

    3) It is obvious in judo that kata is not a method of live training.

    4) It forces judoka to train throws on both the left and right - which they might otherwise not do.

    5) It preserves orthodox combinations and counters in a manner which is not likely to be otherwise recorded.

    6) I don't think anyone takes the weapon or striking kata seriously any more."

    This is pretty much it, besides beeing mandatory for certain grades Kata was allways shown to me as a method of understanding some mechanics of techniques, overall its pretty helpfull you can allways take something out of it, but as in everything else related with fighting, Randori is still the king when it comes to learn things.

    MHO
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