12/10/2005 8:32pm, #1
Anyone able to throw without going to the ground?
All throws that I have seen performed under live conditions, (randori, judo competition) and performed myself result in both opponents going to the ground. I find that when I hip throw I end up with the guy in my side mount, which is OK but I'd be in trouble if the other dude has a better ground game (which means most people at the MMA classes I do.) If it's a partner compliant drill, then there's no problem staying up and I'm sure that this is near universal. Obviously sutemi-waza brings both to the ground as is intended. maybe all throws are really sutemi-waza?
Any grapplers here ever performed a throw under live conditions and remained standing? If such a skill was possible it would be a great asset to your game. Discuss.
12/10/2005 8:41pm, #2
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I think that it is mostly a matter of being better than the person thrown at throwing and catching him off guard enough while also maintaining a steady base. basically practice. I only took a little bit of judo though and mostly bjj so i don't have that skill but i've seen guys do it back when i took judo and they said it was mostly about base and balance.
12/10/2005 8:43pm, #3
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Depends on your strength and overall technique and yes, I end up standing a lot with specific throws.
12/10/2005 8:49pm, #4
12/10/2005 8:53pm, #5Originally Posted by Equipoise
Edited: I guess throws which don't allow the opponent to grab hold of you during the technique. If you launch someone and they grab onto you, you are going to follow.
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12/10/2005 8:53pm, #6
Yes, I've certainly thrown people under live conditions and stayed standing.
A particular observation I've noticed about no-gi throws is that it's a lot easier for me to stay standing if you throw from an underhook as opposed to an overhook (at least from the myriad of hip throw-related takedowns that I usually go for). It's easier for me to let go of an underhook.
In MMA and sub grappling, it seems like a pretty good idea to throw and continue down to the mat with your opponent so he doesn't have the space he needs to improve his position.
I've never had occasion to throw anyone on T3h Str33t.
12/10/2005 9:09pm, #7
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The problem with most throws is that if you do not go down with him you run the risk of him pulling you down with him and ending up on top of you. You'd be better off staying on your feet and not throwing him if he is a better ground fighter.
There are throws you can do and remain standing, the downside is they are harder to set up and if the other guy is a better grappler, chances are you won't pull them off.
12/10/2005 9:18pm, #8
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Try using things other than koshi waza. Tai Otoshi would probably have a higher chance of keeping you on your feet than O-goshi.
12/10/2005 9:25pm, #9
Man I've thrown people and not followed them down. It helps if you are wearing a shirt you don't care about.
12/11/2005 12:07am, #10
I did a koshi guruma and a sasae tsuri komi ashi this morning in randori and didn't go down with my partner.
Hip throws work well if you're doing them correctly --- it helps to have them loaded up (both feet off the mat), then (when doing right-handed throws) look/turn your head to the left so that uke just falls off of your back, and pull up/keep grip on their sleeve when they fall to keep good control when they fall
besides that though, foot sweeps that are not going forward, I like de ashi harai or ko uchi gari going backwards"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -A. Lincoln
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