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  1. Grashnak is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Except of course that probably 90% of the people taking martial arts (and 100% of those taking them in Mcdojos) don't really care that Mcdojos exist. They aren't in it to become fighters - they're quite happy paying for some exercise, or some spiritual bs or whatever. Basically, the customer base doesn't care.
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    and so what's the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Grashnak
    Except of course that probably 90% of the people taking martial arts (and 100% of those taking them in Mcdojos) don't really care that Mcdojos exist. They aren't in it to become fighters - they're quite happy paying for some exercise, or some spiritual bs or whatever. Basically, the customer base doesn't care.
    If whatever service is being provided is filling the needs of the clients, what is the problem? Taking the soccer example, there are soccer players that range from backyard, rec level, "select", semi-pro and professional. Should only those players who are "serious" about their soccer be allowed to play? Are their rec-level soccer coaches who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, of course.

    Now martial arts is of course not soccer and no one likes to think that people are paying for and getting something that is "fake." And it irks me to hear some of the "programs" which people are being sold.

    The bottom line is martial arts is unregulated. From the McDojo's to the "ultimate fighter" style dojangs where it's downright dangerous and people get seriously injured unnecessarily, there is no regulation. I'd like to think that people involved in MA are more honest and would police themselves but unfortunately that is not the case.

    Getting the government or even a non-profit "guild" would be a nightmare. Best to let each discipline police thier own.
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    How about the "Martial Arts International Federation" or the "World Martial Arts Federation"?

    My point is, even if we create our own elite anti-McDojo group, McDojo's will unite (once again) and create their own group that says the same thing, but doesn't deliver.
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    Garages and parks everywhere will house these free schools, taught by people that never wanted to pay for learning anything to begin with?

    I can see it now, the Guild becomes its own McDojo, once the inspectors have to pay a power bill or put a kid through college......

    its a nice idea but the free market works pretty good allready, and as you can see, some of the so called better styles can actually charge MORE money and people will pay it.

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    good point

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr._Tzun_Tzu
    Garages and parks everywhere will house these free schools, taught by people that never wanted to pay for learning anything to begin with?

    I can see it now, the Guild becomes its own McDojo, once the inspectors have to pay a power bill or put a kid through college......

    its a nice idea but the free market works pretty good allready, and as you can see, some of the so called better styles can actually charge MORE money and people will pay it.
    There is no rule that says free = quality. I think someone who has spent many years training in MA and puts forth a quality program should be able to charge a reasonable fee that allows him to have a safe, clean, insured dojang and be able to support his family in a reasonable manner.

    Some of what I'm hearing sounds like a "fundamentalist" approach to MA. It makes me uneasy. There is no "one true" martial art any more than there is any "one true" religion, or if you take the atheist point of view, it's all a bunch of crap any way. That could be said of ALL martial arts, it's only some BS you do to occupy your time just like people play soccer, tennis, etc. -- it's not special in any way. So why the big deal about what's better or worse?
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    Since when did a complete n00b with a dimwit idea garner so much serious attention?
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    It's a good idea.........only if you enjoy someone else placing their judgement ahead of your own. Personally, I'd much rather see for myself what is good and choose the best.

    I think we have entirely too much of the "obnoxious parenting" organizations pandering around for our attention. Do they ever really say anything more than our better intuition? or is it that most people secretly feel that they need collective agreement?

    At any rate, its not as if people get tricked into believing that they're studying kick ass MAs. If you wake up and realize one day that you spent 2 (or more) years getting a black belt, when all you really wanted was self defense or a feeling of security, then you should probably re-analyze your motives for taking said art.

    Bottom line is that if you want to learn to fight, then you should already know what you're going to have to risk to do it. IE, if you're not training in a realistic manner, its probably not going to be useful for fighting.
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