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  1. Toby Christensen is offline

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    Linear progression

    One of the things that concerns me about learning judo or jujitsu or SPM (apart from whoring myself) is that they practise a linear standard of progression.

    Asian MA = perform rote techniques to satisfactory standard, get belt, proceed
    Sport MA (boxing and wrestling) = learn techniques tailored to individual, win bouts, proceed

    Ethnic MA practised outside Asia:

    If sport- see "Sport MA" reference.
    If for T3H B4TTLEF13LD- learn techniques tailored to individual, don't get killed or crippled, return, practise refine and add techniques and so on.

    :tongue3:
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
  2. PirateJon is offline
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    Posted On:
    12/08/2005 3:40pm

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    so what are you saying?
    You can't make people smarter. You can expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there.
  3. Toby Christensen is offline

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    12/08/2005 4:08pm

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    That Asian MA, as least as practised in da West and God only KNOWS how much the Kung Fu kiddies, hippies and assorted orientophiles love em, have lost any decent standard for quality.

    A case in point really is Brisbane. Now if I can just persuade a 7ft Dinka wrestler to pop into a judo school.

    Oh, and Aesopian, kindly debate instead of neg repping. Ta.
    Last edited by Toby Christensen; 12/08/2005 4:13pm at .
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
  4. Aesopian is offline

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    AS SOON AS YOU STOP BEING A GOTARD.
  5. Ronin is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry_Spastic
    One of the things that concerns me about learning judo or jujitsu or SPM (apart from whoring myself) is that they practise a linear standard of progression.

    Asian MA = perform rote techniques to satisfactory standard, get belt, proceed
    Sport MA (boxing and wrestling) = learn techniques tailored to individual, win bouts, proceed

    Ethnic MA practised outside Asia:

    If sport- see "Sport MA" reference.
    If for T3H B4TTLEF13LD- learn techniques tailored to individual, don't get killed or crippled, return, practise refine and add techniques and so on.

    :tongue3:

    You realise this is a pointless post and you should be shot for wasting my valuable time.
  6. katsu is offline

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    I think linear progression would be a lot more helpfull if there wasn't so much testing.(not that every school has so much testing)
  7. JFS USA is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry_Spastic
    One of the things that concerns me about learning judo or jujitsu or SPM (apart from whoring myself) is that they practise a linear standard of progression.

    Asian MA = perform rote techniques to satisfactory standard, get belt, proceed
    Sport MA (boxing and wrestling) = learn techniques tailored to individual, win bouts, proceed

    Ethnic MA practised outside Asia:

    If sport- see "Sport MA" reference.
    If for T3H B4TTLEF13LD- learn techniques tailored to individual, don't get killed or crippled, return, practise refine and add techniques and so on.

    :tongue3:
    IME, total rubbish. "Learning" is all self-directed and particularly w/in a MA context the learning visual model should most closely resemble a reticular web.

    Once again, someone blames a system or method for their personal failings. The failure is rooted in the approach and that is pure individual.
  8. eyebeams is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry_Spastic
    One of the things that concerns me about learning judo or jujitsu or SPM (apart from whoring myself) is that they practise a linear standard of progression.

    Asian MA = perform rote techniques to satisfactory standard, get belt, proceed
    Sport MA (boxing and wrestling) = learn techniques tailored to individual, win bouts, proceed
    False dichotomy, but useful. I think planty of commercial TMA schools are all about technique catalogues, but that doesn't mean it's "non-traditional" to develop an individual base. In fact, I do believe there's a term in Japanese arts for developing a personal set of core skills, but I can't remember what it's called. Sports also progressively add tactics. They just don't categorize every single combination of basics like an EPAK Parting LIne Dancing Fairy Move.
  9. JohnnyCache is offline
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    Posted On:
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    1) Criticize asian martial arts
    2) Nuthug western martial arts only three people still practice
    3) Talk about how cool it would be if a (giant/female/pcp addled) practitioner of same crashed a AMA dojo
    4) Make sure the post asks no questions and presents no information.
    5)
    6) Profit

    For the record, good asian martial arts places don't have to be married to the idea of a strictly paced progression, and I'm sure there are western martial arts places that will hold you back by teaching you things that aren't right for you. Those are YOUR assumptions AS.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
  10. Toby Christensen is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    AS SOON AS YOU STOP BEING A GOTARD.
    In being a "go" TARD, it at least shows I have initiative, goals, energy and productivity, which I'd keep in preference to your flabby pig's thigh's in a pair of stained Y-Fronts any time.
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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