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  1. Andrew Usher is offline

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    12/08/2005 10:24am


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    Coach Sonnons - San Shou victory

    Coach Sonnon recently competed in a San Shou competition, and won. Here is a link to the fight footage. Before this competition Coach had never competed in San Shou and had a very minimal prep time, which as you see wasnt a great problem.

    http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/i...nshouchamp.wmv

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    So why is this bullshido noob?
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    Usher, is this the actual tournament/ title fight? It looks like a friendly sparring session.
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    What were the rules?
    Did those all those throws when Sonnan went to ground as well count?
    Why was it in a ring? Normally you can push people off the platform.

    How many people did he have to fight to become a "US open international San Shou Super Heavyweight Gold Medalist"?

    So many questions.

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    12/08/2005 4:37pm


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    I'm confused.

    It starts with "super heavyweight champ" thing in the beginning. But the rest of the fight appears pretty good natured and unofficial. Not to completely discredit the man. He appeared, by sight, to be fit, and he had some good techniques. But not sure what the video was attempting to prove, or what "victory" it showed. And I also couldn't tell what the rules were just by glancing.
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    12/08/2005 4:44pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll
    What were the rules?
    Did those all those throws when Sonnan went to ground as well count?
    Why was it in a ring? Normally you can push people off the platform.

    How many people did he have to fight to become a "US open international San Shou Super Heavyweight Gold Medalist"?

    So many questions.
    San Da rules

    Yes they count. But you don't get as many points if you go down with them; ex 1 point instead of 2 points if you remain standing, or 3 points if it was a legs-over-the-head type throw or sweep

    Most San Da matches are fought in rings these days. Traditional San Shou / Lei Tei matches are fought on the meter high platform, and rules are slightely different, but this all varies from venue to venue.

    In this case i believe he only fought one fight. I tried to find online the name of who he fought and people and teams who showed for that event this year but couldnt find jack. Not to take anything away from his win, he earned it and didnt choose who showed to fight, but i do not believe that any of the major san shou / san da players attended that event this year, which is why they consolidated it into a few superfights, instead of a tournament style event. There are several different san da/ san shou organizations and title belts. He looks to be a good fighter and may go far, but until he cleans out all the 'real' san da fighters in his weightclass then he is not exactly universal san shou champ.

    That said, good win for him though, looks like he comes from a real good fight team and concrats to them.
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    I've seen the kinds of crowds and venues cung lee gets. There's no way that was a san shou championship anything...

    also, after the other threads that were posted on this board with him rolling around on the ground with his own students kicking him in slow motion, there's no way i can take him too seriously
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    12/09/2005 2:10pm

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    I just downloaded and watched the entire fight, and I've got to say that there is no way that Sonnon's opponent is anywhere near being a top rate san shou fighter. Supposedly he's from Cambodia, named Khai and unknown here. He would be a 'B' level san shou fighter here at best, and would get his clock cleaned by just about any 'A' level amature or pro san shou fighter in the US, I have no doubt about that after watching his technique.

    It looked like a fairly low-intesity match. Sonnon showed some decent techniques, but any skilled san shou fighter could look good against that guy. Before he goes around claiming to be a san shou champion he should at least fight someone relevant in the san shou world. He's got a long ways to go before he could beat someone of Marvin or Cungs' caliber.
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    12/09/2005 2:18pm

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    BTW none of the top san shou / san da teams in the US attend any of Shawn Liu's events anymore due to him pissing off fighters and coaches at past events. Its too bad but he's made himself irrellevant.
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    Posted On:
    12/09/2005 3:24pm

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    I don't know Sonnon and I don't know much about San Shou or Sanda. I do know that Pros don't wear more padding than Amateurs.

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