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  1. chaosexmachina is offline
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    Unexpected Elbow

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    Posted On:
    12/05/2005 5:49pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    No, I don't do BJJ... I've only rolled with a gi once in my life. :P

    I have done some of these drills though. I do see their use, and I don't count them out. I would prefer more alive stuff though like armless guard drills.

    Originally I thought maybe these drills would be for n00bs only, but you made me think again. You know, people can forget these kinds of things and it's good to go over some in the beginning of class like JohnnyS said.


    Andrew Green, eh? My name is Andrew too, and my favourite colour is green... FREEEAAAKYYY. I do pratice punches in the mirror, actually, but ever since I almost broke a mirror I've been doing it a little less...
    "The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall." - Mitch Hedberg

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    12/05/2005 5:57pm

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     Style: BJJ, JKD Concepts, Kali

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    That's cool...so often people "pull the trigger" a tad quick and reply the company line regarding fully resisting opponent...in training, as in life, there is a time for everything, sometimes it's valuable to take a step (or two) down in intesity to move technique and fluidity forward.
    The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
    ~F. Scott Fitzgerald

    Whether it is a good thing or a bad thing, smashing things up is sometimes very pleasant.
    ~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
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    12/05/2005 7:24pm

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     Style: BJJ/MMA/JKDC

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    After blue belt, I think BJJ techs should be practiced with some partner resistance.
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     Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You need to learn the move first though and commit it to "muscle memory". That's why I like the idea of these drills as being used for warm-ups - they ingrain the techniques and teach fluidity. Think of them as kata :)

    They're not going to replace isolation drills like passing the guard - but they do allow you to do tons of reps of a technique without the boredom of doing each technique individually.
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     Style: Sandbagged BJJ white belt

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    These kind off drills have helped me immensly, especially when it comes to guard passing, because they have made certain moves instinctive. This has helped me a lot with just keeping up the pressure while passing by quickly switching between different passes, which unbalances your opponent and opens him up.
    I pointed at him [the panhandler], bringing my rear hand up in a subtle approximation of the double Wu Sau guard that is the default hand position in Wing Chun Kung Fu.

    "Step away," I hissed.
    -Phil Elmore
  6. Carbon is offline

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    12/05/2005 10:02pm


     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    They are necessary, not as only a warmup but they are to learn. You first drill with no resistance, and what a lot of higher up guys in my gym like to do is roll at about 30% to 40% power and speed.

    This allows practical application of the techniques you drill. You can't just go full on everytime and expect to learn the technique like walking.

    You have to start slow. I mean do you really think the guys that can armbar you from anywhere don't drill the hell out of it?

    Thousands of repetitions to where they could armbar you blind folded.
    I'll make one when I can find one I like.
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    12/05/2005 10:46pm


     Style: MMA

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Actually "kata" I think is a very good word for them. At least as I believe the purpose of kata to be.

    It's not so much the individual techniques that are important in a good flow drill, but the movements. Take a shrimp escape for example, the same basic movement is used in many places and situations, but the movement is the same. Spinning armbar? same thing, the basic movements can be used for many things.

    To me, that's basics, the movements that make up grappling. First you have to learn how to move, and then how to apply that movement, and you keep bouncing back and forth between the two.

    Kinda like typing drills when learning keyboarding, it's not that you will ever have to type "The quick red fox...." but it teaches you the fundamentals of typing, covers all the basic finger movements and lets you work on form.
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