Footage of BJJ player in Judo tournament.

**Carbon** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 4:59pm

Both guys suck, that single leg is ridiculous and that guy just falls into fetal position?

I am not up to date on the rules they use at these tournaments, but seems like the BJJ couldn't hang in a real tournament so he went to beat up the Judo people.

**nerveasian** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 6:05pm

Falling into the fetal position is a pretty common tactic in Judo tournaments because judges will often stand you back up if your opponent shows no signs of progress in opening your turtle. It's especially popular among those with poor groundwork skills.

I believe this clip has already been discussed. As has been said before, it highlights Judo's biggest weakness: vulnerability to low-amplitude takedown and submission.

**Gringo Grande** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 6:26pm

Carbon and his "wealth" of knowledge strikes again.

Gringo Grande

**CanucKyokushin** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 6:27pm

Now my opinion on this is the same with when Oyama and Ashihara guys go and compete in Kyokushin tournaments.When things don't go their way they tend to take something out of the bag when they know they are not allowed.Grabbing and back-fist strikes are verboden in Kyokushin.

So I say .If you're a BJJ and you attend a Judo comp;then adapt yourself to their rules.You're not impressing anyone nor are you learning anything by using using BJJ moves and techniques the Judoka isn't going to be expecting anyway.

That also goes with Judo guys who attend BJJ tourneys.

You have a great opportunity to learn from another style without having to ish-out 700 bucks a year.

**JohnnyFive** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 6:57pm

So, a BJJ purple belt beats up some Judo green belts, and we can now clearly see Judo's glaring weaknesses? Kinda ... reaching there, aren't we?

**Gringo Grande** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 10:02pm

Well, I don't know if anyone wants to talk about it, but a certain BBC member with a background in subG and MMA entered a Judo tourney in Alabama (I believe) and entered the 1st Dan division (I believe) and emerged victorious.

I'll let TNK fill in the details as he was at the event and had a strong showing as well.

Gringo Grande

***Cassius*** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 10:20pm

Originally Posted by GhostofKwanzaaPast

Well, I don't know if anyone wants to talk about it, but a certain BBC member with a background in subG and MMA entered a Judo tourney in Alabama (I believe) and entered the 1st Dan division (I believe) and emerged victorious.

I'll let TNK fill in the details as he was at the event and had a strong showing as well.

Gringo Grande

I would like you to talk about it.

**Red Elvis** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 10:29pm

Originally Posted by JohnnyFive

So, a BJJ purple belt beats up some Judo green belts, and we can now clearly see Judo's glaring weaknesses? Kinda ... reaching there, aren't we?

Actually, it does look like a weakness to be honest. Those guys were clueless on the ground. I would think judoka would have some sense of a ground game. Not only that but thier turtle position was pretty weak. However I gotta assume these guys don't represent the whole that is judo.

**_Mick_** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 10:58pm

The performance of the Judoka in that clip was piss poor. This computer sucks, so I cannot see what belt ranks any of the competitors were. If it was a BJJ purple vs. some Judo green belts, I am not surprised the BJJ guy won. Odds are if you are a green belt in Judo you have under one year of training.

The BJJ guy fought a smart game. He fought his game, not his competitors game. If the Judoka were competent, they would have waited for a stand up.

I do not think this exposes a major flaw with Judo. I think it is fair to say Judo has stronger throws than BJJ and BJJ has better ground work than Judo (groundbreaking stuff I know). If an elite level Judoka competes against an elite lever BJJ guy, the winner will depend on the rule set.

**Darkpaladin** · Posted On: 12/04/2005 11:16pm

BJJ guy was a purple belt.
The first judo guy was a blue belt...
The second was a black belt...

And technically, the judo ruleset allows for submissions. It's not like the BJJ guy was doing armbars during a boxing match.
With the half assed takedowns the BJJ guy was using, if either of them knew what a sprawl was, they would have probably stayed on their feet the whole time.
He pulled guard well though.