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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    I see it as a legitimate match up where a lesser fighter lost to a better fighter

    Why woudl you see it any other way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    And she was a world champ to, so, even playing field.
    Lucia is the best female boxer in the world, I´ve never even heard of that guy. So...I think its fair to say that she is a better female fighter than he is a male fighter.

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    When any two people fight, there are many issues that bring victory to one of them.

    Gender CAN be an issue, yes, BUT being a better fighter WILL be the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    Why woudl you see it any other way?
    some would see it as a man brutalising a woman. It's been posted around the net as such, I believe.

    "omg look at this dude totally murdering this chick in the ring! Women shouldn't fight!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueSamurai
    Lucia is the best female boxer in the world, I´ve never even heard of that guy. So...I think its fair to say that she is a better female fighter than he is a male fighter.

    Total fallacy. Fame does not equal fighter quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    some would see it as a man brutalising a woman. It's been posted around the net as such, I believe.

    "omg look at this dude totally murdering this chick in the ring! Women shouldn't fight!"

    See, personally I don't like seeing women fight, BUT I respect their right to fight, if they choose to.
    I, for many reasons, can't spar a woman hard, it has to do with ME not them, so I don't spar women.
    I don't feel it is fair to them.
    Grappling sure, but not striking.
    Upbringing I guess.

    But as a MA and former Fighter, I can sure appreciate skill when I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    Total fallacy. Fame does not equal fighter quality.
    Can you at least give me proof of that guys world champion-ness? What tournament exactly did he win?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueSamurai
    Can you at least give me proof of that guys world champion-ness? What tournament exactly did he win?

    Hard to find "proof" of thai fighters and their records with a quick google search as most info on them hasn't been printed in english, but every mention of her fighting Jaidee describes him as a muay thai champion.

    From an interview with Rijker:

    "Rijker has "been there, done that" with a male martial artist, Muay Thai champion, Somchai Jaidee, in 1995, Jaidee winning via a second round KO. Lucia remembers, "(Jaidee) was not some guy off a barstool, this was a world champion."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    Hard to find "proof" of thai fighters and their records with a quick google search as most info on them hasn't been printed in english, but every mention of her fighting Jaidee describes him as a muay thai champion.

    From an interview with Rijker:

    "Rijker has "been there, done that" with a male martial artist, Muay Thai champion, Somchai Jaidee, in 1995, Jaidee winning via a second round KO. Lucia remembers, "(Jaidee) was not some guy off a barstool, this was a world champion."
    Yeah I did some googling too, couldn´t find anything about it. But a "world champion" can mean a lot of things. I´ve actually trained with a guy who is an amateur Muay Thai world champ, won some international contest. But obviously he is far from being at the same lvl as the best.


    I found a clip though from that fight. http://www.mikemiles.com/video/rykerjaidee.mpg Looks like a pretty brutal KO. Lucia gets mad respect from me though, she had beaten all the best women so she decided to move up and go against the man. But the reality is harsh and the fact is that it doesn´t matter how good a woman is, she just doesn´t stand a chance against a skilled male fighter like that Thai guy.

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    I know very few guys that, withing a striking context, take a fight to a woman.
    That Thai is obvioulsy one of them.
    Though if that had been a "westerner" doing that, I don't think he would get much praise.

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