privates with Lloyd Irvin

**Lotion** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 5:17pm

Originally Posted by garbanzobean

Riiight. That makes it okay. Look dude, it is not worth the money. There is no way an hour of his time will make that much difference in your game in a way that an hour of Garcia's, Rickson's, or really any good black belt can't help. ESPECIALLY at the lower levels. This is what he thinks he is worth, apparently.

I can easily accept that he hates giving privates, but why does he charge differential rates? Doesn't make sense. If he really hates privates that much, why doesn't he just refuse to teach them except to students that have proven to have a good work ethic and have been around the block a few times?

He is most certainly allowed to set his own prices, but I, as a consumer, am allowed to balk. No thanks.

I guess the question is, is this blatant McDojoism?

hey in no way I am saying it is worth 1000 bucks. I have no idea why he is doing this

**Lotion** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 5:18pm

Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe

Or you could just pay $200 for an hour with Royce. Hmmm Royce or this guy. I wonder whose better.

http://www.roycegracie.tv/programs.htm

actually....that could be debatable, at BJJ of course gracie, but as a fighter, I don't know?

**Goju - Joe** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 7:39pm

Originally Posted by Lotion

actually....that could be debatable, at BJJ of course gracie, but as a fighter, I don't know?

You're right he might be a better and more complete fighter than Royce I have no idea, however he's trying to charge "Combat BJJ $1000 an Hour" and Royce is only charging $200.

How can you justify $1000 when the legend Royce is only charging $200

**Jitsuman** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 7:44pm

Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe

Your right he might be a better fighter than Royce I have no idea, however he's trying to charge "Combat BJJ $1000 an Hour" and Royce is only charging $200.

How can you justify $1000 when the legend Royce is only charging $200

I dont know, maybe Lloyd gives you a "happy ending"

**Ming Loyalist** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 9:45pm

the only person i would pay that kind of hourly rate to would be:

1) the doctor treating me if i had cancer.

2) the surgeon operating on me if i get a brain tumor.

3) the lawyer keeping my ass out of prison if things go very wrong for me.

**Gringo Grande** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 10:07pm

I'm not certain if everyone has read through the thread in it's entirety but a small "think about it". I think everyone is shocked by the price Llyod is advertising...however once you get over the initial shock, consider what another posted stated.

Perhaps Lloyd doesn't WANT to teach private lessons and that type of fee structure would assuredly help keep requests down. Especially when his outside BJJ business ventures are being noted.

Think about it, if you really don't want to do something but have elite level knowledge of it...knitting, web-design, BJJ, whatever...and don't want to deal with a certain aspect of sharing/having that knowledge...for whatever reason...how do you avoid it for the most part?

Price your time outside the range of 99% of people to where if someone REALLY wants a lesson for you, it is well worth your time taken away from other ventures. Time is the one asset we all have that is not renewable...everything else is...think about it...what's your time worth?

Figure out how much you make a year, divide it up until you know how much an hour of your time is worth, and you'll see the value society (and to a degree yourself) have placed on your life in hourly units. A lot of people can't handle this.

Just food for thought.

Gringo Grande

***Cassius*** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 11:07pm

Originally Posted by Gringo Grande

Figure out how much you make a year, divide it up until you know how much an hour of your time is worth, and you'll see the value society (and to a degree yourself) have placed on your life in hourly units. A lot of people can't handle this.

Just food for thought.

Gringo Grande

This is not what confuses me at all. What confuses me is why certain lessons cost more than others.

**RoninPimp** · Posted On: 11/30/2005 11:16pm

This has become a hot topic here and on the Underground. I posted this there.

"I'll add to this thread not to attack anybody's opinion. Only to say that I would imagine his pricing for privates is directly proportional to the value of his time. The man has other business intrests besides BJJ. He is successful in them. Taking time from them would cost him money. He still generously gives to his students (and their families) like he has since day one."

Edited to add: Lloyd also has a very specific BJJ curricullum he and his affiliates teach. 1-on-1 privates from him covering that exact material may factor into that price. Just speculation on my part. If anyone can look up the cost of privates on his site, I'm sure you can find the school's email address.

KhorneliusPraxx · Posted On: 12/01/2005 7:30am

Originally Posted by Gringo Grande

Perhaps Lloyd doesn't WANT to teach private lessons and that type of fee structure would assuredly help keep requests down. Especially when his outside BJJ business ventures are being noted.

I think the same thing could have been done by typing, "I am never available for private lessons...please don't ask." This would have also not thrown up red flags and had everyone crying, "WTF?" If he typed that instead, he would not only have no personal lessons but we wouldn't even have this thread.