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  1. Meex is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter H.
    One of the successes I've had at push hands involves mixing in ikkyu from Aikiod. In stationary, as my opponet reaches, I keep contact on his wrist, pon(peng), and retract and move across my torso my hand, to maintain contact, my opponent has to expose his lead elbow, allowing me to give it a push and into a takedown.
    There you go!
    Good example of yield and redirect. . .
    in the midst of your redirect, as you complete the retract,
    you could advance back to the start place,
    and make the takedown a sharper angle,
    using less of your own energy,
    and more of his. . .
    let it flow together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMcFu
    Peter, is there ANY situation a suplex won't solve? I mean, can you somehow turn it into a soft strike?
    I haven't found one yet where a suplex isn't an appropriate response. Although my lawyer advised me not to do it during my divorce proceedings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter H.
    One of the successes I've had at push hands involves mixing in ikkyu from Aikiod. In stationary, as my opponet reaches, I keep contact on his wrist, pon(peng), and retract and move across my torso my hand, to maintain contact, my opponent has to expose his lead elbow, allowing me to give it a push and into a takedown.
    I've done that sort of thing myself. I think many people err in that they do not have a strong pun. You do respond with some firmness *within* your own motion instead of pushing back (kind of like the "unbendable arm" trick) to keep from collapsing, and you recieve the push in your "full" structure.
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    I have trouble understand why softness would be discribed as a power/force/jing.

    Can anyone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickx
    It must suck for legit practitioners of tai chi like Cullion to see their art get all watered down into exercise for seniors.
    Those who esteme qi have no strength. ~ Exposition of Insights into the Thirteen Postures Attrib: Wu Yuxiang founder of Wu style tai chi.
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    Soft power ??

    Is that like the Anti-viagra ??
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    This sounds like very basic tai ji theory, though it does sound like you are experienced with push hands.

    The way jing and softness are related is that you have to be relaxed to have good jing. Most fighters know that when punching, you should relax your arm until the last moment in order to prevent hyperextending your elbow. A lot of the power comes from the hips and shoulders. In my experience, this is the most difficult thing for people to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter H.
    I haven't found one yet where a suplex isn't an appropriate response. Although my lawyer advised me not to do it during my divorce proceedings.
    hAHAHAHAHA
    ROFL
    I was just watching CourtTV, and thought it would be cool if someone
    bitchslapped that lying wife. . .that 'suplex' woulda looked hella cool!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebeams
    I've done that sort of thing myself. I think many people err in that they do not have a strong pun. You do respond with some firmness *within* your own motion instead of pushing back (kind of like the "unbendable arm" trick) to keep from collapsing, and you recieve the push in your "full" structure.
    And, that 'energy' works great getting through crowds:
    in the subway. . .the mall at Xmas. . .or, at crispycreme!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll
    I have trouble understand why softness would be discribed as a power/force/jing. Can anyone explain?
    Bruce described it with water. . .it flows, can be put into containers, and, is relatively a 'soft' substance. Yet water has ground mountains into sand. A
    wave has the power to wipe all signs of life from the face of the planet. A
    firehose will push a small car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    Soft power ??

    Is that like the Anti-viagra ??
    More like Jello-Shooters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    Soft power ??

    Is that like the Anti-viagra ??
    Yes granpa, that's correct. All discussions about 'internal' martial arts and 'softness' are really about the unclean passions trying to animate your floppy little kubotan.
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    Liokault & Jekyll: serious question. What should I read to understand all this special tai chi language that people on the internet use like 'peng' and soforth ?

    I never understand a fucking word other Tai Chi practitioners are saying, not even the sensible ones talking about using it for fighting on a site like Bullshido.
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