Thread: Heel Hook
11/27/2005 7:19pm, #11Originally Posted by garbanzobean
I prefer to be unconventionally opportunistic. I don't see leg locks in themselves as being 'unconventional'
11/27/2005 7:19pm, #12
FighterJones, what environment are you applying heel hooks in?
Wrestling class? JJJ? Or just rolling with friends?
11/27/2005 7:50pm, #13Originally Posted by NSLightsOut
I like your style with opportunism, as well. Makes a lot of sense. I tend to go for a a lot of sweeps (omoplata, v sweep, and star sweep are all favorites of mine here) if people stand up in my guard, but I'm also one of those big strong guys you mentioned. Maybe I'll work knee bars in there as well."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
11/27/2005 11:24pm, #14
I personally only use leg-locks when doing no-gi because there are less opportunities to get other submissions. I rarely even do them from inside the guard anymore, because against a good guy you can give up your position and end up underneath. I mostly go for them from side control, knee-ride or when someone is in my guard.
I think they're definately worth working on and I used to do them a lot in the past, but they're no longer a focus for me because when going for a leg-lock against someone good I am most likely to end up in a leg lock battle, whereas when going for a choke or armlock the guy isn't just as likely to end up getting MY neck or arm.
11/28/2005 9:26am, #15
Grant, occasionally when I'm showing other buddies who do other MA's, in wrestling after class sometimes i'll goof around with my coach, but I don't go for heel hooks cause he's got a bad knee I think.
and yes, of course in CJJ.
CANADIAN JIU JITSU! :P (what I call it, its just shindo jiu jitsu)
Really its just MMA with ground work being a mix of judo and BJJ
thanks for all the replys guys, and i'll keep it in mind.
11/28/2005 10:27am, #16
These are all in ideal situations... and I have done many heelhooks abandoning some or even all of these guidelines.
Key to the hellhook is making the back of their leg an acute angle. (Closed more than 90 degrees... whereas when its straight their leg is 180 degrees or there abuts). You really do want that deep bend so they cant turn, otherwise you both end up rolling all over. Control their thigh with your legs... and use your hips to ge the bend that you want. Learn the leglace so you can control them better, and keep yourself safe.
Learn the proper way to roll to defend the heelhook because they have it sunk... if you roll the wrong way you will tear your own knee, and if you let them sink you, you are done for and wont be able to roll anyways.
Be ready for people to make the above mistake about rolling the wrong way, and be ready to realease the heel hook in case they do... you do NOT want to injure your training partners... even if they are ignorant and "hurt themselves".
Hook with your wrist, not your elbow. Use the palm to palm grip, and make sure the arm thats hooking is on the top. Keep your elbows in, and turn your upper body... use this twisting of your body to apply the torque.... as opposed to using your arms. Using your body makes it tighter, and mroe secure, and gives you a greater range to twist the knee.
11/28/2005 10:46am, #17Originally Posted by Osiris
EDIT: Much better.
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11/28/2005 11:41am, #18Originally Posted by Osiris
I agree that leg lock defenses should be taught fairly early. Mostly, I think people should just not be idiots when they are training and tap if someone has them in a hold they don't know how to defend.
God forbid I ever end up teaching grappling somewhere, but if it happens someday in the (extremely) distant future, I will require new students to come in for a private chat before they actually train. This chat will include video footage showing people getting their **** fucked up from submissions and a long talk about being careful and controlled with your training partners.
11/28/2005 1:10pm, #19
thanks tons Joe!
I'll definately have my instructor go over that stuff with me and the like, but do you have any pointers for the small minute but important details for the leg lace?
11/28/2005 1:25pm, #20