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  1. GhostDog68 is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezah
    Rather than make it bigger than it actually is, those words are his words, no-one elses. As hard as it may be, stay on subject.
    I've been on subject, which is his comparing Hung Fa Yi to the martial arts in general, and claiming that Hung Fa Yi is like a SWAT team whereas all other martial arts are mere police departments.

    I've argued with you repeatedly on this thread that he's in no position to make the statement.

    And I've also shown that they're not simply "his words", as you're now maintaining, but a reflection of your system's grandiose claims.

    But, no longer giving you the benefit of the doubt, I see that you really are this dense. And thus I see no point in wasting any more time with you.
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    Huzzah.........

    So are you that long lost relative, you never did say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah
    Huzzah.........

    So are you that long lost relative, you never did say?

    Nor did you address my questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chango
    No one is saying HFY is the "ulitimate system". I see where some get this idea. HFY is a system based on "maximum efficiency". I know this is a big word for some but there is no other way to say it. Of course if you don't identify with that HFY is not for you that is fine go find something that you can realate to.
    Your sifu describes it as "the most cutting edge martial arts system in the world."

    That sounds pretty "ultimate" to me, LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chango
    The HFY system has things in place to address all of the areas of combat. If someone feels it is weak in one area that is fine. I can only ask them "what experience did they have with HFY in that particular area that made them feel they had a good idea of the HFY appoach in the said area?" I.E. Ground fighting. I can only say he does not have a clue about HFY's approach to ground fighting etc.
    Speaking of your experience: how far into the system are you? The Chum Kiu level? Yet you already know that your system can address all the areas of combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by chango
    I have had direct training experince with more then 7 grandmasters of Ip Man lineage and few non Ip man lineage. I can only say that no none of them are the same as HFY. Maybe the same terms but very different meanings and interpretations. I mean night and day.
    Sure, HFY doesn't look too much like the Ip Man lineages. I agree with you.

    But speaking of comparisons between Hung Fa Yi and other branches of WC, what about HFY's remarkable resemblances to Cheung's TWC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog68
    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah

    A lifetime of experience, you have 1yrs worth of experience with HFY, yet you feel you are qualified to comment on all things HFY.


    I've already made it clear: I'm questioning its claims.



    There is a huge difference between making grandiose claims (that would require a lifetime of experience and of which the person making them doesn't have) and simply questioning those same claims.



    So, once again: is there any evidence for these claims, or is this just some cultish BS that your sifus and the rest of your "kung fu family" keep repeating to themselves?


    So are you attacking comments made by a LEO with over 13yrs experience in LE, or are you going after HFY?

    This thread after all is about comments made by a LEO and his personal view on HFY.


    I see that you're really impressed with his 13 years experience as an LEO.



    This is like what, the tenth time you've mentioned it?



    To which I say again: BFD.


    Yes I am impressed, I'm very impressed when anyone puts others before themselves and enforces the law.





    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog68

    And the answer to your question is: both, because his claims are its claims.



    As I've already said: this guy is saying, by way of analogy, that the martial art of Hung Fa Yi is the utmost in effectiveness and efficiency (like SWAT teams) whereas (i.e. in comparison to it) all other martial arts don't have the same degree of the two.



    It's part of the Hung Fa Yi belief system.



    It's what you guys keep telling each other.



    It's even on the pages of Mastering Kung Fu!



    And then some cop with a little experience in HFY echoes the same sentiment by essentially saying:



    "Gee...Hung Fa Yi is like a SWAT team because it's like all efficient and effective and **** in comparison to all those other martial arts, which are like ordinary police units."



    So, once again, do you agree with the statement or not?



    I'm assuming you do since you're defending it.



    Well then...let's hear your defense.


    Rather than make it bigger than it actually is, those words are his words, no-one elses.

    As hard as it is, stay on subject.



    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog68
    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah

    I'm sorry, do I know you, are you the long lost family member from Arrowhead, or the crazy uncle that lives in Staduim Heights, with all that said, for some crazy reason I believe I do not have a clue who you are?


    And that has what to do with my asking you to defend your system's claims and provide some objective evidence for them?


    Well, you've called me bro twice, I thought maybe I was related to you, maybe you live over by Docton's Animal Clinic or in Hollywood, Arrowhead or Staduim Heights, maybe your that long lost relative I didn't know about?


    ? So are you a long lost relative?



    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah
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    Wow, having trouble keeping up, where oh where did that come from, I can tell you have a hard time getting things, but I didn't think I was that far off?


    You're the one who brought up Miss Cleo and coming into money, not I.



    Where oh where did that come from, LMAO!?



    So does that mean that now you're the one having a hard time getting things?



    But I figured I'd play along: since you're the one who mentioned coming into money, I say go for the gusto! Why not shell out $20,000 and become a "Hung Fa Yi disciple"?


    Ok, I'll take your hand and walk you through this. You seem to know what experience I have with firearms.....right,



    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog68
    Keep at those firearms lessons bro! Maybe you’ll stop shooting yourself in the foot when your aim finally improves.


    so I thought the only way you would have any idea about my experience with firearms would be if you were psychic(or knew me personally, which I doubt unless you are a family member), hence the reference to Miss Cleo. And as you are psychic I thought you could let me know when I would come into funds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog68
    Quote Originally Posted by Geezah

    Ummmm.....speaking of not getting things.



    Let me repeat myself, yet again:



    Being a cop might give him the experience to compare SWAT teams to ordinary police departments, but not one martial art to all others. For unless one has a lifetime of experience in a variety of martial arts, no one can compare one particular martial art (Hung Fa Yi) to every other ("the martial arts") and declare that one of them is the "utmost effective and efficient" whereas the others aren't.



    You know what? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in all this, but can you really be this dense?


    Did he at any point say I speak for the HFY family, did he at any point say that this is what all HFY members think...........?

    His comments were made by him, they are his personal thoughts and opinions.


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    Dragging me down and trying to beat me with expience!

    LOL!

    Speaking of your experience: how far into the system are you? The Chum Kiu level? Yet you already know that your system can address all the areas of combat?
    Yep! Pretty cool huh?? And how far did you get? LOL!

    But speaking of comparisons between Hung Fa Yi and other branches of WC, what about HFY's remarkable resemblances to Cheung's TWC?
    This speaks volumes about how little you know! To the untrained eye I can see where you might think these systems look simular. As a matter of fact I have trained directly with Grand Master Cheung. And I must say no it's not the same as HFY. GM Cheung's system is unique and deserves respect. So where are you drawing your conclusions? Oh yeah! 1st grade level material. Hell you haven't even learned your alphabet! So now you feel qualified to pass judgement on the entire english language. LOL! Ok from your first grade point of view HFY is not complete. That's fine that you feel that way. However from a seasoned P.O.V. I can simply say your wrong. It's clear that you cannot see it any other way.

    Maybe you should find a better hobby man this has gotten old. Dead horse my friend. So we didn't make you Bruce Lee in one year get over it. Find something that fits you better. If you have or haven't it's now time tuck in your skirt and stop pissing and moning about it. :sad3: If you have found something that fits you better you sure seem to have a very unhealthy attachment to HFY. As you seem to spend alot of your time posting here about it. Maybe your trouble is a lack of training. You seem to be able to post almost every day! when do you train? R.O.F.L.O.L. :wave:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chango
    1st grade level material. Hell you haven't even learned your alphabet! So now you feel qualified to pass judgement on the entire english language.

    Though far from a master of either English or Spanish, my daughter at age 4 had concluded English was a far more complicated language and with an incredible number of grammatical inconsistencies over Spanish.


    She's right.


    (Wait a minute! Did you also just say that TWC was also a "system" and not a "style"? I hope that's not construed as flaming you ... or inflaming you. :smile:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chango
    This speaks volumes about how little you know! To the untrained eye I can see where you might think these systems look simular. As a matter of fact I have trained directly with Grand Master Cheung. And I must say no it's not the same as HFY. GM Cheung's system is unique and deserves respect. So where are you drawing your conclusions? Oh yeah! 1st grade level material. Hell you haven't even learned your alphabet! So now you feel qualified to pass judgement on the entire english language. LOL!
    You claimed that HFY is unlike any other WC lineage.

    I reminded you of TWC.

    And it's not my observation but the observations of many people who are familar with TWC, including some people within TWC themselves, who have noted remarkable similarities between it and HFY.

    Hell, the similarities are such that some have even suspected that HFY is simply old and repackaged TWC wine in a new skin. And people on KFO have repeatedly asked you HFY guys to post the TWC and HFY forms side-by-side to let others see these similarities so that they can decide for themselves.

    Which, of course, you HFY guys refuse to do.

    Oh well, it's just like everything else: you guys are always right and everyone else is always wrong. And, like every other time you HFY guys are asked hard questions, or are asked for proof of your system's outrageous claims, you just ignore, deny, obfuscate, evade or repeat your claim that no one outside of Hung Fa Yi is "qualified" to criticize it!

    You know what? All you guys need to do is provide some objective proof of your claims and this **** would go away. But no! You guys crossed into Ashida Kim territory a long time ago with your claims of being, not only the ORIGINAL and SUPERIOR form of Wing Chun, but also the "ONLY martial arts system to reach maximum levels of efficiency" as well as (among others) "the most cutting edge martial arts system in the world."

    The purpose of this site is to expose bullshit in the martial arts.

    Until you guys can provide even the slightest evidence for these wild claims, HFY's bullshido meter will continue to be buried in the red.

    Ok from your first grade point of view HFY is not complete. That's fine that you feel that way. However from a seasoned P.O.V. I can simply say your wrong. It's clear that you cannot see it any other way.
    Yes, of course Chango! Once again: the Hung Fa Yi point of view is always right and all its critics are wrong!

    And people who question it are mere children!

    1st graders even!

    Much the same way that all the other martial arts in the world aren't as efficient and "cutting edge" as you guys!

    [See the connection?]

    Look, I don't need to question the effectiveness of Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or submission wrestling as martial arts, for example, because there's plenty of evidence of that.

    So where's yours?

    After all, I would think that a system that touts itself as "the most cutting martial arts system in the world" should be able to offer at least some evidence for such an extreme claim!

    But none?

    LMAO.

    As I said: the bullshido meter's buried in the red.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chango
    Yep! Pretty cool huh?? And how far did you get? LOL!
    Not as far as you obviously!

    But, of course, I didn't shell out $20,000, so I was able to keep Hung Fa Yi in perspective and eventually realized that many of its claims were largely BS.

    But congratulations on attaining the Chum Kiu level: maybe one day your "grandmaster" will finally "reveal" Biu Ji too!

    I should hope so anyways, considering how much $$$ you gave him to be a "disciple!"

    Quote Originally Posted by chango
    So we didn't make you Bruce Lee in one year get over it.
    Should I have stayed another year, LOL?!?

    I know Bruce would have! After all, Hung Fa Yi was the system he was looking for his whole life, or so many Hung Fa Yi guys say.

    But, of course, that would've costed me another $3,720.

    I mean, sure it's like the "most cutting edge martial art in the world" and all, or so you guys claim.

    But once I realized that not even the senior Hung Fa Yi guys would last 10 seconds in the Octagon...let's just say there was a "paradigm shift!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chango
    If you have or haven't it's now time tuck in your skirt and stop pissing and moning about it.
    I'm not pissing and "moning" about anything. If anything else, I've been laughing at the way you guys have been responding (or, as is usually the case, not responding) for over a month now.

    The responses here have been almost as funny as reading Hung Fa Yi guys on hfy108 saying things about how grapplers need to evolve, how Brazilian Jiu Jitsu comes from Shaolin, and how you guys even have the deadly dim mak in addition to grappling and groundfighting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chango
    As you seem to spend alot of your time posting here about it. Maybe your trouble is a lack of training. You seem to be able to post almost every day! when do you train? R.O.F.L.O.L.
    Yeah, I've got 80+ posts in like three months and ****...

    You do know how many hours in a day there are...don't you?
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    You guys are arguing over the semantics of SWAT and whatever form of WC it is that the guy's taking?

    What's the point? How about asking the actual LEO's on here like Keinharr or Phoenix about what's been useful to them on the street. The teach basic stuff to us in the Academy about disarmament, subject control, etc. We can't really go full auto on suspect unless we're in absolute danger and then from my WC experience, I'd use that minimally (some movements in the system are effective) and mostly Judo, and various MMA training.
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    If you all do NOT stupid makin fun of my martial art, i will find all of you and beat the crap outta you loser guys
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