You called it....
Originally Posted by TehDeadlyDimMak
He is in a position to make the comparison, you are not in a position to call him out on it.
Originally Posted by GhostDog68
He works in LE, I'm guessing you do not, if he wants to compare the two that's fine with me.
You keep on with this "on the street" stuff, just what does that mean, do you know how idiotic that sounds????
Originally Posted by GhostDog68
The only way you can qualify anything is if it is used "on the street"?
As I said, he is allot more qualified than you or I to make such a comment, he works in LAW ENFORCEMENT and has done for quite some time!
Originally Posted by GhostDog68
Life as a bouncer
I can say I have had many different experiences with HFY. I was the head bouncer and door man for a local club that was known for being a little crazy. As a matter of fact it was closed down. I did alot more then have to escort the drunks out when they did not behave. I found that my training allowed me to control situations and make sure that I knew positions and methods to give me the upper hand on would be "troubled guest". In some cases my help had a ways to go through the crowd to get to me in quite a few two or three one situations. Without my training I could have never been able to control things. I know this is not the "street" It's 'the club". LOL! but it counts for something. But this is not where I found validation of the HFY system. I found validation long before these situations.
No one is saying HFY is the "ulitimate system". I see where some get this idea. HFY is a system based on "maximum efficiency". I know this is a big word for some but there is no other way to say it. Of course if you don't identify with that HFY is not for you that is fine go find something that you can realate to.
Let's just say there are 20,000 reasons a "Hung Fa Yi disciple" believes that his system is "complete" with "no weaknesses" and can "counter any style."
The HFY system has things in place to address all of the areas of combat. If someone feels it is weak in one area that is fine. I can only ask them "what experience did they have with HFY in that particular area that made them feel they had a good idea of the HFY appoach in the said area?" I.E. Ground fighting. I can only say he does not have a clue about HFY's approach to ground fighting etc...
I can relate to how you feel. Before I had a look into the HFY system. I also did not beleive that there was a system that could be "complete" in that sense. But now that I've seen enough of the system, I can say yes the HFY system is "complete." I know there are probrably hundreds of people who feel that there is not complete system. That's fine I can see why you feel that way. Hey maybe you have not found the system that you can identify with that can give you the answers you need. Hey I hope you do.
[QUOTE Eric Tong]Hung Fa Yi is basically the same as other styles of wing chun, but Meng and Gee have addded an absurd amount of complicated history, belts, and a **** load of diagrams (5 centerlines, ect.). [/QUOTE]
No this is also a misconception. I can't say that it is the same thing. I think I can speak from experience here. I have had direct training experince with more then 7 grandmasters of Ip Man lineage and few non Ip man lineage. I can only say that no none of them are the same as HFY. Maybe the same terms but very different meanings and interpretations. I mean night and day. I can say that I can see alot of simularities between the others however. Even with the Ip Man lineage none of them are the same when you get down to it. LOL! I've heard of the Ip Man people use the annology of blind folded men touching an elephant. But no HFY is a different animal all togther. But I guess unless you share these experiences dialog on that subject would be a bit of a pissing match wouldn't it? LOL! But if you wish to draw this conclusion that's ok. It's just nice to be able speak from experience on this subject.
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I train with a guy who has worked/works for ASIO (Australian intelligence), as a bodyguard to the royal family in Britain, and has been in several situations where he's had to use his Wing Chun. And it worked. If he could end up in a better state than his attackers after being jumped by several guys on the street leaving one guy unable to walk properly for the rest of his life and put one on a life support machine for 2 days, I think he has some authority to say that it does work.
Sure, it is good to be skeptical, but most systems, yes, even Wing Chun can be effective if used and trained properly.
Unverifiable anecdotes aren't worth anything.
I think wing chun can be effective, but thats another topic.
Why is it that alot of wing chun guys somehow get it into thier heads that they are learning the greatest style in the world? That no one can counter them?
I mean sure, lots of people think what thier studying is the ultamite method of combat but; more so with wing chun guys.
Im sorry if i offend and chunner but.......
When I first took karate I could sit around class and say, "I could kick his ass, his ass, her ass, that guy's ass upside-down, and that whole entire group of asses. The big guy over there could kill me and that one other guy could rip my **** over my head."
Originally Posted by AAAhmed46
When I first went to _ing _un class I sat around and said, "**** man, these guys could all kick my ass. Except her. Okay, maybe she can too."
Well i don't know what little moosefart he works at but here in the big city, about 1 out of five resistors will become active in thier fighting. that means a swinging and a hitting. i am glad the crimminals there are so passive in thier resistance. mabey they have a huge Amish population. I am sure the Cops in baltimore, new york, Chicogo, and other rough (crime wise) towns would agree with me. I am glad he is a kung-fu Swat guy! ...oops I just **** myself.
My police experience has taught me that generally, rather than wishing to assault a police officer, a suspect who is being taken into custody will usually only attempt to avoid being apprehended.
maybe im not qualified to say anything, givin relatively short time in martial arts and in existence on this planet, but i think that its kinda weird that so many people on this site have apparently maimed someone using their martial arts. even weirder is the fact that most of them do wing chun or ninjitsu. how come they always get all the fun? and why dont those awesome masters step into the ring and kill all the hate for their style by beating someone in a "verified anecdote"
The stomp and neck shot he used to down two of his assailants are banned to most competition fighting. Now sure I have no way to prove that he did kick their asses, but he definitely does (or did) work for government intelligence and has been in life and death situations. In fact you can pretty much just look at him and you know you don't want to mess with...
And Wing Chun has been used in competition and has actually won tournaments before. Another one of my instructor's students won his first semi-professional MMA tournament using Wing Chun.
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