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  1. Mor Sao is offline
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    Sounds like we have a down under New Zealander version of Ian Prescott selling his conquer your fears and your have not the need for physical combat.







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    Sorry to revive an old thread, but I've had some taiaha training over the years (different styles/instructors) and it's always included footwork patterns named after, and resembling, the way various birds and lizards move. The patterns are used for conditioning and agility training and also appear in the whero (formal choreographed "challenges").

    I'm not certain whether this is a traditional feature of the art or not, but it seems to be widespread in modern taiaha practice.

    I've also met and done some basic training with Hirini Reedy and AFAIK all of his qualifications and his military background are on the level. Can't speak to the effectiveness or otherwise of this seminar, but he's an impressive fellow.
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    Hi lads
    Hirini Reedy here. Hey I like your guys honest upfront korero (comments). Just came across this Bullshido forum. If a guy or art can't take a bit of crap and honest slagging and recycle it into something useful then he and his art is lacking or hiding something. You guys are right. Some of AioKoa sounded bullshit and full of marketing hype that I was told to use to sell seminars. Anyway I went back to square one and started again as I knew . Underneath AK there is a nature inspired philosophy. Basically Nature can help you know yourself. Look for what attracts you. Maybe you are a snapping pitbull or a poisonous flower. Basically your own nature will tell you what works for you. Not for me or anyone else. How you protect your life is up to you. Your own nature will give you hints. Your own experiences will show what works. Or may not.

    Whether it is CQB, a gang rumble, pig hunting, karate, JKD, protecting your kids or whatever it comes down to you. You may be a soldier, a shaolin monk, or in a wheel chair. Do whatever you need to survive. Know how to turn it up. Turn it down. Turn it off. AK includes traditional Maori taiaha& fighting arts with improvisations using a spade, a bayonet, broken bottle or whatever is around to grab. Everything around you can be used as your ally or your enemy. Just need to think how.

    I have had some people come and check me out. Want to give me the bash to prove a point. Yet not surprisingly I try to keep them offbalance mentally so we all come away learning something. Often over a beer. A lot of Martial artist guys have **** for brains and confront using only one approach. You can smell them coming because they reek of arrogance and lack awareness. A sharp mind will always cut a thick muscle. Shape the battle before engaging in combat . Pretty simple stuff really.

    Yep, I led a team in 1994 to introduce taiaha into NZ Army recruit training. We went around and spoke with key taiaha experts all over NZ including an old Maori WW2 soldier-taiaha expert who was a hartcase. But our original taiaha modules got watered down turned into pugil stick fighting and called CAT (Combat Aggression Training). One or two classes as part of PT. Nah, its not the same. The bird movements like pukeko teaches you stealth and cautious stepping movement used my lead scouts. Fantail teaches you happy spiral movements that hide real combat intention. And so on with other flora and fauna. There is both CQB and tactical applications. NZ Army still uses mainly european based military doctrine so some of this Maori stuff was a bit too much left field when we started in 1994.

    So when I left the Army I took some of this info and created AK from it. Mixed it with other stuff. During the first couple years I trialled it with seminar groups of women, men and kids. This is the seminar you guys tore apart. Again it has evolved. Right now I am moving to teaching kids how to prepare kid survival kits for climate change disasters plus other preparedness for urban and domestic violence. So many of our little Maori kids are getting the bash. Not the one.

    Anyway lads, keep up the good work. Put the heat over everything. Melt down the crap. Keep what works.

    Cheers
    Hirini
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    Hai Hirini, i've understood your post like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by aiokoa
    Hi lads
    Hirini Reedy here. Hey I like your guys honest upfront korero (comments). Just came across this Bullshido forum. If a guy or art can't take a bit of crap and honest slagging and recycle it into something useful then he and his art is lacking or hiding something. You guys are right. Some of AioKoa sounded bullshit and full of marketing hype that I was told to use to sell seminars. Anyway I went back to square one and started again as I knew . Underneath AK there is a nature inspired philosophy. Basically Nature can help you know yourself. Look for what attracts you. Maybe you are a snapping pitbull or a poisonous flower. Basically your own nature will tell you what works for you. Not for me or anyone else. How you protect your life is up to you. Your own nature will give you hints. Your own experiences will show what works. Or may not.
    so what is your point exactly? your own nature tells you what to do, or not,thats the only point you make, the rest of this part is vague new age woo woo.
    lets continue:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirini
    Whether it is CQB, a gang rumble, pig hunting, karate, JKD, protecting your kids or whatever it comes down to you. You may be a soldier, a shaolin monk, or in a wheel chair. Do whatever you need to survive. Know how to turn it up. Turn it down. Turn it off. AK includes traditional Maori taiaha& fighting arts with improvisations using a spade, a bayonet, broken bottle or whatever is around to grab. Everything around you can be used as your ally or your enemy. Just need to think how.
    Talking about survival,weapons,all including etc sounds you have a pretty dark and fearful view about the sort of society you live in.
    95% of humans won't try to kill you intentionally, us army stats support this (online you can read about howmore then 80% of gi's in vietnam didnt fire their weapons or deliberately fired in the air etc.)
    And how the hell can you improvise with a fucking bayonet?!

    'Hey my neighbour wants to slap me coz i pissed in his yard again, i better defend myself..oh look! a bayonet!'

    we'll continue again:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirini
    I have had some people come and check me out. Want to give me the bash to prove a point. Yet not surprisingly I try to keep them offbalance mentally so we all come away learning something.
    Often over a beer. A lot of Martial artist guys have **** for brains and confront using only one approach. You can smell them coming because they reek of arrogance and lack awareness. A sharp mind will always cut a thick muscle. Shape the battle before engaging in combat . Pretty simple stuff really.
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    This is a 'hidden' attempt to intimidate any readers here not to **** with you, and i dont buy it, nice try though, making passive agressive threats,having a beer with your anonymous challengers and end the part with a sharp mind cuts thick muscles.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hirini
    Yep, I led a team in 1994 to introduce taiaha into NZ Army recruit training. We went around and spoke with key taiaha experts all over NZ including an old Maori WW2 soldier-taiaha expert who was a hartcase. But our original taiaha modules got watered down turned into pugil stick fighting and called CAT (Combat Aggression Training). One or two classes as part of PT. Nah, its not the same. The bird movements like pukeko TEACHES YOU STEALTH and cautious stepping movement used my lead scouts. Fantail teaches you HAPPY SPIRAL MOVEMENTS that hide real combat intention. And so on with OTHER FLORA AND FAUNA. There is both CQB and tactical applications. NZ Army still uses mainly european based military doctrine so some of this Maori stuff was a bit too much left field when we started in 1994.
    a bit too much left field or a bit too much rubbish?
    are you reading your own posts back?
    you should.

    [quote=hirini}So when I left the Army I took some of this info and created AK from it. Mixed it with other stuff. During the first couple years I trialled it with seminar groups of women, men and kids. This is the seminar you guys tore apart. Again it has evolved. Right now I am moving to teaching kids how to prepare kid survival kits for climate change disasters plus other preparedness for urban and domestic violence. So many of our little Maori kids are getting the bash. Not the one.[/quote]

    this translates to me as: 'when i left the army'(as a failed instructor not as a soldier) = im insinuating a military background.

    i trialed it with seminar groups of wome,men and kids= i was teaching bs for money randomly.
    the survival part for climate change= im a survivalist looney. (google phil elmore, you'll love him)

    Quote Originally Posted by hirini
    Anyway lads, keep up the good work. Put the heat over everything. Melt down the crap. Keep what works.
    this=im agreeing at the end of my psychotic rant so you will be fooled and think im genuin.
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    LeBell,

    like I said way back when, I've met Hirini and trained with him (very long time ago, but whatever). The man can fight; he's an expert with his specialist weapon (taiaha) and on Maori warrior lore in general. On that basis, IMO you're mis-reading his tone and intentions, looking for the worst interpretation (trolling?)

    He's more than capable of taking care of himself in an e-debate too, so I hope he'll be back ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    LeBell,

    like I said way back when, I've met Hirini and trained with him (very long time ago, but whatever). The man can fight; he's an expert with his specialist weapon (taiaha) and on Maori warrior lore in general. On that basis, IMO you're mis-reading his tone and intentions, looking for the worst interpretation (trolling?)

    He's more than capable of taking care of himself in an e-debate too, so I hope he'll be back ...
    I dot do e-debates.

    If you can vouch for him, fine, but he really came across like i posted earlier, im not here to troll.
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    Thanks for posting Hirini. One question.

    How the **** do you imitate a fucking plant in martial arts?

    That is all.
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    Just thought I will say a few lines and then didi mao out of here. Nah I was not a failed Army instructor. But I am not here to badmouth people or whatever. Just wanna say what I have to say. Each person has their own opinion. Thanks Ddlr nga mihi e hoa ka tu hai rangatira koe mo to awhi.

    Some bits that came up in previous posts.

    1. Aio Koa translates roughly as peaceful seed happy flower. There are other tougher meanings but this one sounds hippie and so people laugh and dismiss it. Good. What this does is that people tend to underestimate and not see stuff. Nah, stay low and less of a target. Then amp up into a wild beast then turn down the snarl into a quiet smile once danger has passed.

    2. The tomato thing. Crushing a tomato is about the same force to squeeze your testicles in pain or gouge out an eyeball. Go try it. Put a tomato into a plastic bag and squeeze it until all crushed. Then do the same to your own balls. Grab one testicle and some scrotum and squeeze. Bit like castrating lambs or pigs, you cut the scrotum and squeeze out the testicles. Now the eye. Poke your eye with your thumb. Try to keep your eyelid up. Your eyelid will involuntarily close. It does not take much to make your eye smart with pain.

    3. Yeah the line about three key targets to cause the body nervous system to go into shock. Here are the three targets. Nothing too secret. One is the balls. A boot or wack to the pills and the body crumples with hands on groin. Another is the eyes with upper body crumpling with hands to the eye. And the throat. End up choking and holding the throat. Don't need to know many combinations or techniques, just go hard and attack these three key points. It can cause the body to go into shock f all targets are blitzed one after the other.

    4. The plant thing is simply about tuning in. Yeah it might sound bullshit but the plants and trees can teach us to think differently. Tracking and reading sign is often about tuning in to the plants and stuff.. Trees and plants dont talk in human tongue but you get a feeling. Hard to explain. The Shoshone, Apache and other natives do something similar. It is also a mind training like standing still like a tree with bent branch and trunk positions. Try this. Just lean to one side and hold your arms out like a tree on side of a cliff. Hold it for 30 minutes if you can. Normally most people get bored shitless by 5 minutes and cannot hold the position before the arms start quivering and muscles start spasming. It is really a mind thing. It also teaches you to blend into the bush and be still. Te Ohutotara or the totara tree seedling was one phase of the Maori warrior wero or challenge. It involved stillness and observation. The wero was like the sentry challenge but it normally involved a bit more then just saying halt who goes there.

    Anyway I have said my peace.

    Cheers
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    *bangs head on keyboard*
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    It helps if we understand a little bit about traditional Maori culture (and hippies, actually). Hippy-dippy **** is (and was, back in the day) an attempt by middle-class Europeans to identify and "commune" with various tribal cultures, which use a lot of nature imagery in explaining their philosophies; makes sense, you're surrounded by nature, it's what you know. The fact that the hippy and New Age movements eventually commercialized and trivialized these traditions is not the fault of the tribal cultures that inspired them.

    When modern teachers of tribal martial arts (like taiaha, which is a kick-ass long stick style) -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLvwvqcUF70

    explain their styles in the traditional manner, they use traditional imagery; plants, animals, elements, etc. It's basically respect for tradition, like counting from 1-10 in Japanese or wearing a gi in a Kyokushin class. Again, the fact that it reads as hippy **** 40+ years after the heyday of the hippies is the fault of the New Age movement and a problem of perspective.
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