11/17/2005 1:21pm, #11
Its TKD in BJJ clothes.
Isn't it just matter of time and popularity for this to happen to any style?
EDIT: ie. TKD, kungfu, karate, etc.
EDIT: Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.
11/17/2005 1:58pm, #12
- Join Date
- Mar 2005
- Cincinnati, OH
This is disconcerting but expected.
Just last night my instructor was talking about how poor the blues where at a Pedro Sauer seminar hosted by someone I whose name I forget. The guy's school, who hosted Pedro, but didn't get his belt from him was apparently pretty bad and when my instructor rolled with him he made excuses about his fingers. It seemed like a petty excuse for getting dominated by a 40 year old purple (who's damn good btw). Also, he rolled with some of their blues and was far from impressed. He said I had better pressure than all but one or two of his guys, which is sad considering I'm a white with 7 months experience. Usually my instructor has nothing but good things to say about others he trains with.
My story is anecdotal but it really struck me in that I realized I was lucky to find good training and that others in the future might not be so lucky.
11/17/2005 2:14pm, #13
Allright Bullies.... Here is your list of People to Choke
AKF Black Belt Academy
4514 E. Thomas Rd.
18631 N. 19th Ave. #166
Phoenix, AZ 85027
Ernie Reyes West Coast Martial Arts-Gilroy
745 1st St.
Gilroy, CA 95020
Ernie Reyes West Coast Martial Arts-Morgan Hill
16375 Monterey Rd. Suite L
Morgan Hill, CA 95077
Absolute Martial Arts
3221 South Kings Highway
St. Louis, MO 63139
Champion Tae Kwon Do Center
9727 Menaul Blvd. N/E
Albquerque, NM 87112
Juku Kan Karate
728 3rd Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11209
United Martial Arts Center
144 North St.
Cortlandt Manor, NY 10567
Powers Isshin Ryu Karate Academy
34425 Lorain Rd. #3
North Ridgeville, OH 44039
Massie Training Systems-Mu Do Kwan
550 FM 1660 South #5
Hutto, TX 78634
11/17/2005 2:23pm, #14Originally Posted by Deluxe247Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
11/17/2005 2:53pm, #15
I noticed the words 'submission grappling' used alot. That generally equates to no formal BJJ,wrestling, judo, sambo, etc training. Why these guys don't actually train in one of these styles or bring in someone who has is beyond me. I guess as long as new students/suckers roll in there is no need to.
11/17/2005 3:18pm, #16
Most of these schools sites have no mention of BJJ
Absolute Martial Arts claims to teach Submission Grappling
Massie Training Systems-Mu Do Kwan web site http://www.massietrainingsystems.com/ says it teaches Jiu Jitsu and Mixed Martial Arts. On their classes page it says "BJJ classes start Dec. 5th 2005"
The instructors name is Mike Massie
on this site http://www.starting-a-martial-arts-school.com/resources it says that Mike Massie is from Small Dojo, BIG profits
Here he is posting to the fighting arts forum
Mike Massie has been the subject of other Bullshido posts
I just called Mike Massie and spoke with him for a while, I said I was interested in his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu program. I asked him what his rank in BJJ was and who he trained under. He seemed suspicious and asked me where I was calling from and If I had interest In joining the program. I was completely truthful about who I was and why I was calling.
Mike Massie is a BJJ White belt, he says he rolls with his friend who is purple belt in machado jiu jitsu, and is practicing grappling on his own (?). Also mentioned that he was a 2nd degree black belt in Japanese Jiu Jitsu.
I told Mike Massie it concerned me that he was claiming to teach BJJ when he was only a white belt.
Mike Massie said his website was under construction (he was “working on it right now”) and that he was concerned about saying he was teaching anyone BJJ with out at least a blue belt... to which I replied "as you well should be". One thing he said at least twice was "I don't want to claim to be a BJJ instructor when I'm not". (which is exactly what is site does right now, but I wanted to keep the conversation friendly so I refrained from getting nasty). Lets see what changes are made to his site in the next weeks.
I told Mike Massie my main concern was that Jerry Laurita might be trying to sell him rank, to which he replied that he Jerry just selling a program that taught a framework for instructing grappling. He said grappling is becoming so popular today that you can’t teach a complete self defense program without it.
I told Mike Massie that one of our members had received the E-mail he sent, and I invited him to join the forum. I said that as long as he was straight up about what his level of experience is it shouldn’t be a problem.
Mike Massie seems like a nice enough fellow, allbeit misguided. I think the main problem here is Jerry Laurita giving him the impression that he can set up a BJJ program so easily.
Last edited by BSDaemon; 11/17/2005 10:04pm at . Reason: fact check
11/17/2005 3:34pm, #17
Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats
- Join Date
- Jun 1998
- Cow Town
- MMA (Retired)
With just a cursory glance at this, and skimming over the post above me, we need to put a good deal of focus on this.
11/17/2005 3:51pm, #18
I live in Austin, which is like 40 mins out of Hutto. But if I go up there and it goes sour, my instructor will kill me.
11/17/2005 3:59pm, #19
Phrost, I'm on this ****...
I just talked on the phone with Jerry Laurita, I asked him what the requirements are for recieving the Instructor Certificate. He said that there are nine different levels of instructorship, and that the first few tests could be done in person, or through video (!), but the black belt test would definitely have to be done in person. Jerry Laurita should be sending me an information packet through e-mail shortly which I will post here.
I am also drafting a letter with all of this to snail mail to Joe Moreira's school in Newport Beach, since his domain name joemoeira.com seems to be expired.
11/17/2005 4:02pm, #20Originally Posted by lawdog