now why cant i find a place to train that somehow trains in thirty million styles
So I found this interesting, considering he warns people on his site against fake ninjers. Well after doing some poking around on his site, he has a "ninjutsu" link on his site. Its a link to Richard Van Donk Site. Adding a few things together, we get this. Why is he a 4th dan and not a 5th dan. Only 5th dan and above in the Bujinkan can run a school, and its very very easy to get promoted from 4th Dan to 5th Dan. Its just 1 trip to Japan or one to the American Shihan's for a Sakki Test. So what do this have to do with Van Donk? Well convivently, 4th Dan is the highest rank one can achieve with Van Donk's home study Program. Its also prudient to say here that his 4th Dan is in Bujinkan Ryu Budo Taijutsu, he hold no rank in Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu.
4TH Dan TOGAKURE NINJUTSU
5TH Dan RYUU KAGE NINJUTSU (FOUNDER OF SYSTEM)
He even keeps the Bujinkan Names like Shidoshi and he only ranks himself 5th dan in Ryu Kage Ninjutsu, which is the rank one can run a training group in the Bujinkan. So it seems that he went as far as he could without a real instructor (4th dan) and then created his own Ninjutsu School becuase he wasn't allowed to start a Bujinkan Training group (not passing the Sakki Test yet).
Its kinda patethic.
Last edited by plasma; 11/15/2005 9:18am at .
thanks for connecting the dots for those of us who dont speak or understand the ways of Ninja ... spelled out that way , it is obvious .
Originally Posted by KageKaze
Originally Posted by ghost55
“I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD
Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey
The told the ancient secrets to us dirty gaijin! Someone's going to dim mak his ass.
And I still want to know WTF "Saberkan" is.
One of the links from the page:
Hahaha, seriously, it looks like this site was made up by a kid.
He has an "enter if you dare" animated gif, which looks like something from Diablo
And in the picture gallery, he has pictures with the greats, such as George Dillman, "a model" and some dick from Black Eyed Peas.
edit: I'm no good with photoshop...but can someone PLEASE do something to the picture just below the "enter if you dare" gif? It's just asking for a penis to be inserted...
Last edited by srichards; 11/15/2005 10:31am at .
This is the patch for the Matsumura Seito Society, a martial arts "diploma mill" run by a fake 10th Dan in Shorin-ryu Matsumura Seito. Like George Dillman, folks use this name to gain legitimacy by associating themselves with the style of Hohan Soken, who, as a dead guy, is in no position to protest.
Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin
This is not to be confused with the legitimate Matsumura Seito organization headed by Fuse Kise.
I joined this forum specifically to address some of the "crap" people claim. This person is not ranked in Lung Shou Pai Kung Fu. I also met his "Master", and if it were not for a lot of "self-ranking", he would not have much to write about.
Good question. Google search turns up... this thread as the #1 hit. I'm guessing it's a word he made up.
Originally Posted by PirateJon
Doesn't that "Gene Lebell" picture look photoshopped?
Guys, your all right in many areas. Im from his area in Mississippi and from an instructors point he does have alot of non believers here also. Alot of instructors question his rankings and lieage of instruction. The guy still seems to be popular in the area but no questioning ever goes straight to him, just around him.
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