Chest 21's....owww goddamn!

**VikingPower** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 12:16am

Some of the guys from my old dojo thought Crossfit was the ****. I had them come over to my house and work out with my keg, sandbag, and my car. They no longer think Crossfit is the ****.

**Omar** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 6:26am

I got no horse in this race. I've never done crossfit and my fitness level by almost any standard is little better than "adequate". But this is one of those things I would really like to see:

Originally Posted by AkiraMusashi

Yes, I can do 40 pullups in 75 seconds. Today I was doing a 6x5 with 80lbs hanging between my crotch. I also did 78 pushups in a minute on my PT exam. Cfag sucks.

OTOH, what do you weigh? Apostol kind of had a point about chin ups being easier for skinny people. I remember this kid with spinobifida who was confined to a wheelchair in the 6th grade who busted out about 20 chin ups for the fitness test we had one day when the rest of us sixth graders were lucky if we could even do one.

But you have said in the past that you were bottom heavy so....I am skeptical of this claim.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 6:39am

At 5-6 and 170, I do chins with 50lbs for 5 reps, that is MORE than enough for me !

**daGorilla** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 7:50am

Originally Posted by Ronin

At 5-6 and 170, I do chins with 50lbs for 5 reps, that is MORE than enough for me !

Dude, you're an ANIMAL! :) EDIT: AND a midget! :)

I'm not sure how many weighted chins I could do yet myself. I think I could do some -- but I don't know how many and at what weight.

I've got an article that has some kids (under twelve) doing an impressive amount of weighted chins -- and they've never lifted weights. (They are gymnasts...)

-daGorilla

**daGorilla** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 7:53am

Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu

Some of the guys from my old dojo thought Crossfit was the ****. I had them come over to my house and work out with my keg, sandbag, and my car. They no longer think Crossfit is the ****.

Surprising, since Crossfit lends itself well to strongman-style competition, and heartily encourages improvisation and "real world" workouts. Some of the guys in the forums (soldiers in Iraq) talk about using huge rocks and other "equipment" for doing deadlifts, carries, and similarly improvized subs and workouts.

-daGorilla

**Ronin** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 7:56am

Originally Posted by daGorilla

Dude, you're an ANIMAL! :)

I'm not sure how many weighted chins I could do yet myself. I think I could do some -- but I don't know how many and at what weight.

I've got an article that has some kids (under twelve) doing an impressive amount of weighted chins -- and they've never lifted weights. (They are gymnasts...)

-daGorilla

Chins, like push-ups, are BW specific, the lighter you are, the more, in theory, you should be able to do, even if you add weight, and shorter arms help too ( less distance to travel).
Then there are dead hangs ( count of 2 or 3), partials and all that, and all have their use.
Then there are wide grips, close grips, plams in/out, lots of variables.

The one thing you HAVE to understand about ST is that it is VERY individualistic.
You CAN'T compare yourself to anyone else, you can only chart your own progress, compare what you are doing to what youhave done.
No More.

Competition is one thing and we are not talking about that, we are talking about training.

Two people of the same weight and height and both benching 200lbs are the same right? wrong, if one person has longer arms they are doing more work.

Same goes for Squats and the opposite for DL, shortarmed people have to lift more distance.

No such thing as equal comaprisons.

**Gringo Grande** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 8:15am

Canuck...since we got sidetracked into a minor flame war...yes my original post was about doing 21's as a bench exercise. I've always done them on occasion with curls to mix it up but I'd never thought to try on a bench press until this guy suggested them the other day. I personally believe (and from the pain feel) that this isn't a bad exercise to do every few weeks or once a month or maybe to help you get over a plateau...I'll let everyone else debate whether it works or not but I think it could be beneficial.

As a tall person with long arms, let me be the first to say that pull ups can suck a big fat cock...I hate them with a passion...I've hated them since I was born I think =)

I was 5'7" in the 5th grade and I couldn't do freaking pullups then and they still suckass now.

You know you are tall with long arms when you have a spotter not because of the weight but because you can lift the bar over the top of the bench itself (and I'm not talking about some short, shitty bench either).

Gringo Grande

**daGorilla** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 9:05am

Originally Posted by Gringo Grande

Canuck...since we got sidetracked into a minor flame war...yes my original post was about doing 21's as a bench exercise. I've always done them on occasion with curls to mix it up but I'd never thought to try on a bench press until this guy suggested them the other day. I personally believe (and from the pain feel) that this isn't a bad exercise to do every few weeks or once a month or maybe to help you get over a plateau...I'll let everyone else debate whether it works or not but I think it could be beneficial.

As a tall person with long arms, let me be the first to say that pull ups can suck a big fat cock...I hate them with a passion...I've hated them since I was born I think =)

I was 5'7" in the 5th grade and I couldn't do freaking pullups then and they still suckass now.

You know you are tall with long arms when you have a spotter not because of the weight but because you can lift the bar over the top of the bench itself (and I'm not talking about some short, shitty bench either).

Gringo Grande

Oh, by the way -- those "21's" sound freaking brutal. And I feel ya' on the long arms. I'm not a big guy like you, but I'm built kind of "long and lean" -- so pull ups have never been my best friend. either.

-daGorilla

**daGorilla** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 9:10am

Originally Posted by Ronin

Chins, like push-ups, are BW specific, the lighter you are, the more, in theory, you should be able to do, even if you add weight, and shorter arms help too ( less distance to travel).
Then there are dead hangs ( count of 2 or 3), partials and all that, and all have their use.
Then there are wide grips, close grips, plams in/out, lots of variables.

The one thing you HAVE to understand about ST is that it is VERY individualistic.
You CAN'T compare yourself to anyone else, you can only chart your own progress, compare what you are doing to what youhave done.
No More.

Competition is one thing and we are not talking about that, we are talking about training.

Two people of the same weight and height and both benching 200lbs are the same right? wrong, if one person has longer arms they are doing more work.

Same goes for Squats and the opposite for DL, shortarmed people have to lift more distance.

No such thing as equal comaprisons.

Well said!

I would only add that the individual nature of such training is part of what makes it so compelling and -- to a degree -- fun.

Part of the appeal of gymnastics-type strength training (which I only dabble in) is the overall body strength, focus, and coordination it requires, all of which translates well to martial arts or other sports in general.

-daGorilla

**Ronin** · Posted On: 11/03/2005 9:26am

Originally Posted by daGorilla

Well said!

I would only add that the individual nature of such training is part of what makes it so compelling and -- to a degree -- fun.

Part of the appeal of gymnastics-type strength training (which I only dabble in) is the overall body strength, focus, and coordination it requires, all of which translates well to martial arts or other sports in general.

-daGorilla

And you look cool doing them !