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  1. Scrapper is offline
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    Fear and bullets.

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    Posted On:
    10/24/2005 1:53pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Coach Andy sez:

    Walk it off, boy! Suck it up...If you aint painin' you an't trainin'! YOu want me to call yer mommy for you?!?! Blaaarghh!

    Seriously...that is one impressive injury. You will be playing video games and not much else for the next 6 months or so...

    Sorry.
    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

    --Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
  2. Feryk is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/24/2005 3:22pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Ryno, I've got one;

    Partial MCL tear, partial PCL tear

    Tear in Meniscus, requiring partial removal

    ACL ruptured, requiring total replacement.

    Had the surgery 8 weeks ago. Got off the crutches two weeks ago.

    I'm out for a minimum of 26 weeks from training. Gonna need a $2000 brace, and physio up the wazoo.

    I feel your pain buddy. Get yourself a hot physio therapist. It helps for some reason.
  3. Ryno is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/24/2005 4:14pm


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    Nice. Couple of good ones here, keep them coming.

    Luckily I train in two arts, FMA and JJJ. FMA is a lot less stressful on the knees, so I'm hoping that I can get back to that a bit sooner. It'll probably be longer before I can roll in Ju-Jutsu though.

    Yeah, thanks for the diet tips. That was a problem that I had last time I did my knee in. I kept eating like an active athlete, and packed on a few pounds. I'm going to be watching it this time around, and will make sure to do lots of pull ups and bench press. Cardio will be my main issue, as I was getting back into top form, running stairs for 45 minutes twice a week, 5 mile runs, and 8+ rounds of three minutes on the heavy bag. It just sucks that a lot of this conditioning will go to crap with my time off.
  4. lawdog is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/24/2005 4:16pm

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    Sorry to hear that. Forced time off due to injury really sucks. I've been fortunate to have never had a serious knee injury, but know several people who have.

    My guess is rehab immediately post surgery, or within a couple of weeks, every doctor has a different philosophy about that. If it were me, I'd try to get into to rehab as soon as possible. You might be able to begin some light training on your own around 3-4 months. By light training, I mean swimming, weights, maybe short runs, etc. At 6-8 months, you should be able to train MA again, but you'll need to be very careful and take it easy. Probably 10-12 months before any competition, or full intensity training.

    That's just a rough guess. I've seen people competing again within 4 months, but I think that's unusual. Also, yours is pretty torn up.

    The most important thing is not to overdo it in the beginning, during rehab. That's the whole point of having a PT there when agressive athletes like us are rehabbing an injury. We want to get really agressive and push it too hard. This often leads to re-injury and a much longer overall recovery time. I've seen that happen several times. 2nd surgery within 8 months. Definitely don't want that!
  5. Poop Loops is offline
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    OOOOOOOOOOAAARRGGHH RLY?

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    Posted On:
    10/24/2005 4:34pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Knees are from the devil.

    Take it easy, man. I had a small injury which I aggravated and now it will take longer to heal. :(

    PL
  6. Ryno is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/25/2005 10:43am


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    Woot! Went to the knee specialist yesterday, and it is looking like I won't need surgery. Apparently the ACL is the only ligament that generally requires surgery. Most of my damage was to the other side, hitting the MCL, and I only had minor ACL damage which wasn't severe enough to warrant any cutting. They generally won't do surgery on the MCL, as it recovers well on its own, and most of the other stuff that I damaged was various muscles that hook up to the knee, which are able to take damage and recover.

    So, he put me in a hinged bionic man brace to keep the knee stable, and allow me to walk to maintain flexibility and strength. There was no talk of therapy yet, and I'll see the doc in another two weeks.

    I was mentally prepared for the worst, but this was pretty much the best case scenerio that I could hope for.
  7. Grashnak is offline
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    Posted On:
    10/25/2005 11:01am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You're lucky. I had a bad MCL tear, significant meniscus damage, and a completely destroyed ACL. The initial injury occured in 1984 (football) and required very significant surgery to replace the ACL with a tendon from the back of the knee.

    I later needed arthroscopic surgery to fix up some additional damage to the meniscus (no idea how I hurt it that time).

    The main reconstruction was ruptured in 1986 requiring an even more invasive procedure to insert a new-fangled carbon-fibre ACL replacement. That worked out pretty well, but I was left with significant instability.

    In about 2002, I fell on some icy stairs and completely blew out the carbon-fibre. Docs took one look at me and told me to just live without an ACL because reopening the knee joint a third time would just speed up the arthritis that I'm already starting to feel. That sucks because about once a week I just step wrong and the whole knee joint wobbles and trust me, thats a sickening feeling. I'm working on strengthening the muscles that support the knee, but at this point I could be Arnold and still have problems.

    I'm looking at starting some MA training (strictly for fitness - my knee would never survive full contact) but even that worries me. I'm wanting to go to a good school I've found for MT and possibly BJJ but I may be just fooling myself that I can do either safely.


    Sooooo, long story short - don't **** up your ACL if you can help it. And if you do, don't **** it up again. And if you do, DO NOT **** it up a third time.
  8. Ryno is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/25/2005 1:20pm


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Hate to say it Grashnak, but I think you win the knee injury cake.

    You might want to look into some Filipino martial arts. Stickfighting and Filipino boxing is a lot less hard on the knees, from my experience.
  9. isol8d is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/25/2005 2:00pm


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    ah ****. I got caught with a spinning backfist to teh temple last week. knocked me down, made me see stars. In falling I twisted my right knee. It's been very stiff, I couldn't bend it to a 90 degree angle on Friday. I'm sitting at work with a heating pad on it right now, thinking about how to work around this for sparring tomorrrow.

    You may have convinced me to go see if I can run the ring at sparring rather than spar. :new_cussi

    good luck with your recovery.
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    Posted On:
    10/25/2005 2:49pm


     Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Feryk
    Get yourself a hot physio therapist. It helps for some reason.
    It will help you get SOMETHING up, if nothing else...


    -daGorilla
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