How NOT To Do SPM

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:06pm

Thanks for the answer. I'm still fuzzy on this whole Reputation thing, but you get some.

**Mr. Mantis** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:21pm

Originally Posted by JFS USA

We can do better ... SPM = Hakka Tong Long ... in the oral tradition SPM is also referred to as H'ung Mei. The oral history (myth) holds that the Monk Bak Mei (White Eyebrow) was defeated and killed by his Younger Brother (by association not blood) the Monk H'ung Mei (Red Eyebrow).

*Miu Hin? Same guy? Escaped with him, etc? I thought they were related by blood. Myth also holds he was killed by 2 guys ~ tiger and crane stylists.

Originally Posted by JFS USA

If you are aware of the significance of color in the Chinese tradition then it decodes even further.

Elements? Red = Fire

Originally Posted by JFS USA

As an aside ... the age distinction and association reference clearly indicates something interesting (to me) about Bak Mei and SPM. Namely, that SPM came after BM and represents a refinement by way of reconstitution.

Wong Long and Bak Mei could have been contemporaries.

Originally Posted by JFS USA

What was contained in the reconsitution you might be asking yourself ... why ... Bak Mei and Lung Ying ... of course ... its Older Brothers within a greater tradition that does not share a common root (as that would be a blood relationship).

Which explains the white eyebrow/dragon mix I've come across. :5dragon:

*Beware! CMA history always uncertain.

**JFS USA** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:25pm

Originally Posted by Mr_Mantis

*Miu Hin? Same guy? Escaped with him, etc? I thought they were related by blood. Myth also holds he was killed by 2 guys ~ tiger and crane stylists.

Ah ... that would be in the H'ung Ga oral history (myth).

Elements? Red = Fire

Good ... and what more can you extract from this association with regard to how the hand plays?

Wong Long and Bak Mei could have been contemporaries.

Yepper

Which explains the white eyebrow/dragon mix I've come across.

Good once again ... Congrats!

*Beware! CMA history always uncertain.

I prefer "... always encoded by way of poetic form."

**Mr. Mantis** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:32pm

Originally Posted by JFS USA

Good ... and what more can you extract from this association with regard to how the hand plays?

Hmmm. I could only guess. I've learned some red dragon, but that's my only exposure to the fire element. The hand techniques are all fast, sometimes big, sometimes small.

**JFS USA** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:49pm

Originally Posted by DerAuslander108

I'm still fuzzy on this whole Reputation thing, ...

Ditto ... I think it translates loosely as credibility ... but I could be wrong.

... but you get some.

Thanks ... any idea what I'm suppose to "do" with it?

**OZZ** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:50pm

Originally Posted by JFS USA

We can do better ... SPM = Hakka Tong Long ... in the oral tradition SPM is also referred to as H'ung Mei. The oral history (myth) holds that the Monk Bak Mei (White Eyebrow) was defeated and killed by his Younger Brother (by association not blood) the Monk H'ung Mei (Red Eyebrow).

If you are aware of the significance of color in the Chinese tradition then it decodes even further.

As an aside ... the age distinction and association reference clearly indicates something interesting (to me) about Bak Mei and SPM. Namely, that SPM came after BM and represents a refinement by way of reconstitution.

What was contained in the reconsitution you might be asking yourself ... why ... Bak Mei and Lung Ying ... of course ... its Older Brothers within a greater tradition that does not share a common root (as that would be a blood relationship).

Every version of the history I have read has stated that Bak Mei lived into old age...
A lot of different views out there.

**JFS USA** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:53pm

Originally Posted by Mr_Mantis

Hmmm. I could only guess.

Dude, don't do that ... think.

The Element approach plays in both the tactical and the technical realms.

I'll point you in the right direction ... let's see how far you go with it:

Fire consumes what?

This "what" comes from what?

What are the supporting features of the "what"?

That tells you something about our structure and it's readily seen in our Sets.

**Yrkoon9** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:56pm

What?

**Samfoo** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 12:59pm

Originally Posted by JFS USA

Dude, don't do that ... think.

The Element approach plays in both the tactical and the technical realms.

I'll point you in the right direction ... let's see how far you go with it:

Fire consumes what?

This "what" comes from what?

What are the supporting features of the "what"?

That tells you something about our structure and it's readily seen in our Sets.

My guess would be fire consumes wood. Wood comes from earth. The supporting features of which are root, presumambly your structures are rooted and that's shown in your sets. I could be way off though ;-)

**JFS USA** · Posted On: 10/21/2005 1:03pm

Originally Posted by OZZ

Every version of the history I have read has stated that Bak Mei lived into old age... A lot of different views out there.

Sure ... most of "those" stories can be traced back to Cheung Lai Chun's peeps.

Interesting ... to me ... that Luo Rong Qiang's Father was a Hung Gar Sifu. Entirely different take on things ... either way ... lot's of common ground.

I long ago laid to rest the HG vs. BM disputes of old. I think many of us that threw down in the streets of NYC Chinatown during the mid-1970s to late 1980s have come to the same conclusion. Namely, it's just a story and hardly reason for all the blood shed and bad feelings.