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  1. DANINJA is offline

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    Posted On:
    3/09/2004 6:46am


     

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    William Cheung

    I think this is what caused the Emin/Cheung fight:

    In reply of the William Cheung Interview Feb 1996 Mitcham Kwoon.

    The following letter appears in Martial Arts Magazines


    VING TSUN ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION LTD
    3, Nullah Rd., 2C/fl., Kowloon,
    Hong Kong Tel 3-816044

    Dear Sir,

    RE: Point Three of the minutes of the 11th General Meeting

    Recently we have received many letters and complaints about a person
    called William Cheung who has distorted many affairs with ulterior motive.
    As the board of directors of the Ving Tsun Athletic Association -- the
    general association of the WHOLE Ving Tsun (Wing Tsun / Wing Chun) system,
    which was founded by the late Grandmaster Yip Man and most of his senior
    students since 1976, we have the responsibility to clarify the following
    points:

    1/ William Cheung has NEVER been regarded by anyone of his fellow-students
    as the grandmaster or the leader of the whole Wing Chun Clan.

    2/ NOBODY is recognized as the so-called "No 1 student of Grandmaster
    Yip Man" and we have NEVER heard of William Cheung as the "No. 1 Fighter
    of the Wing Chun Style".

    3/ "Footwork" in the Wing Chun System is regarded as a most advanced
    technique. We do not deny that some of the students of Grandmaster
    Yip Man did not learn the whole system, but it is NOT TRUE that
    William Cheung is the ONLY person to have ever learnt the entire
    Wing Chun System" as what he announced in his advertisement.

    4/ There have NEVER been any techniques in our system called "DIM-MAK" or
    "Disabling Pressure Points", NOR any so-called "Missing Techniques" since
    the creation of the Wing Chun System by Ng Mui.

    5/ When Grandmaster Yip Man taught the techniques to his students he asked
    NO-ONE "to take an oath not to reveal the secret to anyone during his life
    time." He taught according to the potential of his students, teaching
    the most advanced techniques to the most talented ones.

    In the mid of 50's there had been a kid called William Cheung who had studied
    in Grandmaster Yip Man's school for a few years intermittently and left
    Hong Kong when he was 18 years old, and since then had become isolated from
    his instructor and all the other fellow-students. During his short training
    he surely gained the wrong impression in thinking that Grandmaster Yip Man
    never taught the advanced techniques to students other than himself. And yet
    we do not know how much William Cheung really learned himself.

    It is regrettable that his lies have gone so far (i.e he told the
    reporters that Grandmaster Yip Man had taught only him the so-called
    "traditional Wing Chun", but had taught all his other students the
    "modified Wing Chun").

    However, any average person could easily analyze his techniques and see
    this statement must be a lie. It is unthinkable that Grandmaster Yip Man
    would choose to cheat all the students except one impudent kid, who actually
    had little respect for him!

    We feel sorry to have such an ignorant person in out clan, We want
    to establish our position: we have NEVER AGREED with his Crazy
    self-promotion, though we do understand his motive in casting himself as the
    "Superman" in the William Cheung's Wing Chun System.

    Yours faithfully,

    The Board Of Directors and Attendance in the meeting of clarification
    the distored affairs.

    Wong Shun Leung (Chairman)
    Leung Ting (Vice Chairman)
    Tong Chao Chi (Vice Chairman)
    Lok Yiu (President)
    Yip Ching (Vice President)
    Ho Kam Ming (Vice President)
    Siu Yuk Man (Secretary)
    Chan Tak Chiu (Treasurer)
    Tsui Sheung Tim (Membership Management)
    Koo Sang (Membership Management)
    Lee Wai Chi (Public Relation)
    Victor Kan (attendance)
    Yip Chun (attendance)
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    William Cheung's response to a letter from the
    leading masters of Wing Chun. This version comes from Australasian fighting Arts
    Vol 10 nr 3.


    ************************************************** ******************


    Firstly, I want to point out that the statement by the Ving Tsun Athletic
    Association in their letter that the "the association was founded by the late
    grandmaster Yip Man and most of his senior student since 1976" is not true,
    because Yip Man died in 1971. So he couldn't have founded the Ving Tsun
    Athletic Association in 1976 as claimed.
    I shall attempt to answer their letter point by point:
    (1) I am the leader of the Traditional Wing Chun because I am the only person
    who inherited the whole Traditional system of Wing Chun. Furthermore, I also
    know the modified version thoroughly, and know that it is inferior to the
    Traditional system. I therefore proclaim myself the Grandmaster of the
    Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu. If anyone does not think so, he can come and
    see me and I will be more than too pleased to show him.
    (2) I was the only person that Grandmaster Yip Man chose to carry on the
    whole Traditional Wing Chun system. I am the best fighter in the Wing Chun
    Style. This was acknowledged by the late Bruce Lee, and recognized by many
    famous masters of other styles. I anyone needs proof, I would only be too
    pleased to oblige.
    (3) Nobody - I say nobody - was taught the traditional Wing Chun footwork but
    me. I Leung Ting and company knew it, they would be showing their students. It
    is like the case of the Bil Jee form. Nobody knew the proper form except me
    and that is why they have been telling people that the Bil Jee form was too
    dangerous even to show it; in order to cover up the fact that they don't know
    it. I was the first WEing Chun master to put Bil Jee in a book so that
    everyone can learn the correct version.
    (4)Dim Mak or disabling Pressure Point Techniques was passed on to me, along
    with the whole Traditional system of Wing Chun. If you have read my article on
    the subject you might understand how it works. However, ther is no medicine for
    ignorance; Leung Ting and company deny the existence because they don't know
    it. At least this time they admit their ignorance. My book on Dim Mak, or
    Disabling Pressure Point Techniques, will be on the market soon. Keep your
    eyes open. In china there is a Kung Fu monk who could stand upside down on one
    or two hands. Some people can break a half dozen inch boards with a punch.
    Maybe there are people who can stand on a dozen eggs. I can stand on two
    without breaking them. All these can be called tricks if you like, but the
    fact is that I am still "the best Wing Chun Fighter". I dare anyone to prove
    otherwise.
    (5) It is irrelevant to argue whether Yip Man had made be take an oath before
    he taught me the complete Traditional Wing Chun System, because no-one else
    was privileged to witness it. The fact is, that after 36 years of training in
    Wing Chun, I have the confidence to say that I am the most knowledgeable
    master in the Wing Chun System and I am the best fighter, and I am willing to
    prove it to them at any time, anywhere. Unlike Leung Ting and company, as
    shown in the photo, you only have to take one look at them to realize that
    none of them look that part of martial artists. I could safely say that none
    of them have done any hard training in recent years. They certainly don't look
    very impressive!
    In the 50's I was a kid . . . so was Bruce Lee . . . full of enthusiasm and
    energy. We learned Wing Chun together and we were determined to make a name
    for Wing Chun and ourselves. And we did. In the 50's Leung Ting was still "in
    his diapers". He didn't learn Wing Chun until the 1960's from Leung Chun,(Yip
    Man's student) of his own admission. He is one generation behind Bruce and me.
    However, according to the article published in "Secrets of Kung Fu" Vol 2
    1977, hundred of Kung Fu masters in Hong Kong - including Leung Chun, Yip
    Shun, Tsui Sheng tin, and Wong Shun Leung - denounced Leung Ting in very
    strong terms (I have enclosed copies) Leung Shun was reportedly saying that
    Leung Ting wasn't learning from him, but from his student Jah Bak. This makes
    Leung Ting two generation behind Bruce Lee and I.
    And Leung Ting's claim that he was Yip Man's closed door student is on what
    grounds? In the 60's, Yip Man was a heavy drug user, and did not enjoy very
    good health. There was no way that Yip Man could have taught anyone in that
    state of health. Even his own sons, Yip Chun and Yip Ching, who came to Hong
    Kong in the 1960's, had to be content to train with Yip Man's senior students.
    Wing Chun is a system which was developed for one to be able to master in
    three to four years. Grandmaster Yip Man, from age of twelve to sixteen,
    learned four years part time the modified version of Wing Chun with Chan Wah
    Shun and, from age 17, he learned 2 years traditional Wing Chun from Leung Buk
    (Leung Jung's son) in Hong Kong. Wong Shun Leung only learned modified Wing
    Chun for three years part time and he began teaching in early 1955. Loh Liu
    probably started teaching after only 2 years part time training in the
    modified version.
    I studied Wing Chun for 4 and one half years part time in the modified
    version, and then 2 and one half years full time in the traditional version,
    when I was living with Yip Man. I learned the modified version as well as the
    traditional version. After I completed my learning, I have continued to
    practice for a further 28 years, and I still practice daily.
    From these factors you can see that I am the most qualified practitioner in
    both modified and traditional versions of Wing Chun Kung Fu. I proclaim myself
    the most knowledgeable master and the best fighter in the whole Wing Chun
    style.
    I would like to close off with a very famous Chinese proverb : "Practicing
    Kung Fu is like paddling upstream - if you don't go forward, you must go
    backward, and seldom you stay in the same spot". It is no surprise to find the
    whole group in the printed photo appear to have gone so far backward that I
    would be ashamed to be associated with them.

    William Cheung
    Grandmaster
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    Much ado about nothing.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

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    Posted On:
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    from the point of view of an outsider this looks like:

    Q. You dancing?
    A. You asking?
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    I am ashamed to admit I actually own one of Willian Cheung´s books.
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


    - W.B. Yeats
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     Style: BJJ / Kyokushinkai Karate

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    If anyone does not think so, he can come and see me and I will be more than too pleased to show him...I am the best fighter in the Wing Chun Style...I anyone needs proof, I would only be too pleased to oblige...
    And that's what Emin Boztepe did, he did see him and he beat him. Simple as that. No great story to tell. The fight wasn't even very good. I've read both letters before.
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    God, that Boztepe "fight" was worse than some of the ones I remember from school. Actually it was far less funny than most of them.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The main problem with that fight was it was tapped with a crappy camera from a crappy angle.
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    No one cares....

    Lest of all should WC/WT/Wing whatever the **** you want/VT people....
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