OK, having a stupid moment (? about RNC)

**gr81disp** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 3:14pm

Was just sitting here thinking about escaping a RNC and suddenly, pop, my mind went blank. I cannot for the life of me remember which way to turn. Towards the fingers of the choking arm, or towards the shoulder. I think it is towards the fingers, correct? Cause then you can take a hand of the wrist and block the hip. That is right, isn't it? It has been awhile since I thought about it (or practiced it for that matter).

**Fighting Cephalopod** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 3:54pm

Towards the fingers. "His hand is pointing the way" my instructor likes to say.

**Yrkoon9** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 3:54pm

Toward the fingers.

Unless it is a collar choke.

**gr81disp** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 7:19pm

Thanks, didn't want to get in that predicament then go out because I turned the wrong way.

**Torakaka** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 7:34pm

bite them, head butt them, or fall backwards on top of them (thereby crushing them to death)

**Kengou** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 9:59pm

Eye gouge behind your head, and then dim mak the 13th lung point under their left shoulder.

Seriously though, (and keep in mind this is just a noobish white belt talking) the way I learned the RNC, the elbow should be really deep, in line with the adams apple if possible. So to escape, if you turned into the elbow, you'd really be turning into the choke even more. If I'm not mistaken, the choke squeezes the carotid arteries on the sides of the neck, so you don't want to do that. Turning toward the fingers would get you out of that pressure and relieve the choke.

Or I'm just a horrible BJJ noob and everything I just posted is bs. Either way, I think you turn toward the fingers.

**judogido** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 10:24pm

There IS the opportunity to turn toward their elbow - there's sometimes a small opening in the crook of their elbow that gives you some breathing space - for when you are not in a position to turn your head the other way. Preferably the other way though.

**Meager** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 10:30pm

Originally Posted by judogido

There IS the opportunity to turn toward their elbow - there's sometimes a small opening in the crook of their elbow that gives you some breathing space - for when you are not in a position to turn your head the other way. Preferably the other way though.

In a proper RNC the elbow is lined up with the chin so there is no turning towards the elbow, the crook of the elbow is where they want you, and breathing doesn't matter because it should be attacking your arteries anyway.

**iamamonster** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 10:31pm

Breathing? I always thought a RNC was a blood choke

**judogido** · Posted On: 10/12/2005 10:54pm

Sometimes when it gets applied wrong, the forearm is across the throat rather than the "vice" on either side of the throat - so turning in towards the elbow relieves this pressure and gives you some "breathing space" (no pun intended).

However, you dont want to stop here & let them settle in to a proper RNC, but continue twisting in towards them to wriggle out of it. The danger is you're turning right into a RNC for him so it is a very risky manoeuvre - but sometimes you have no choice depending on your & his position.

It is definitely the exception to the rule - mainly for when the RNC is not in it's correct position & you have no opportunity to turn the other way. Okay - it's a very narrow scenario & you have to judge it at the time. It is not the "correct escape" from a sunk RNC by any stretch.