Opinions on Supplements

[Hwarangwarrior]

i was looking into getting some supplements and i have eleminated them down to these four supplements;whey protein,NO(nitric oxide),creatine and Twinlab Mass Fuel. I am posting this to see what people's opinions on these supplements were i was mainly looking at No and the whey.Another question i have is does it help to have fat to gain muscle or does it go against it sice your body will be making fat not muscle?Another question i have is how long should i wait in between workouts to recover because i work out 3 times a day and can only 3:00 since i have school.Also then main purpose of these supplements will be for gaining mass.

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[Warpath]

I recommend whey protein and creatine. Skip the NO2, according to this article:

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/suppanalysis.php

[zenbert]

best advise is good diet and listen to your body...

here's using my routine as a sample:

1. protein after workout, not before 'cuz it sits and works like milkshake in your stomach if taken right before workout. aminos are critical after workout to replentish body.
2. creatin for ATP regeneration - i take after workout also
3. vitamin E for muscle recovery
4. milk, fruits, and meats (italian cured meat... yum)

i always give my muscles time to recovery between workouts. everyone's physique is uniqe and change with age. listen to your body closely.

this routine seems to work well for me. 5' 7" 155lbs 29-30 waist--34 years old. before i started training two years ago, i was at 145lbs 32 waist. i believe 90% of what i got is from training not necessarily diet, though i stay from soda and sugar generally, no coffeine when i can help it. low alcohol intake (sorry need my scotch, red wine and beer sometimes)

i used to lift some weights but haven't done so for over 6months. i'm quite lean and have the muscle definitions but don't have the mass, which isn't my goal anyhow.

[Honor]

This is what I would use for bulking

1. Casein in the morning - protein that takes 4-7 hours to digest
2. CEE before workouts - it helps me a lot with energy
3. Black currant oil before workouts - converts to AA to help you put on lean muscle. or try to eat beef everyday instead.
4. Whey during or post workout - isopure rtd's are worth the price during workouts.
5. Maltodextrin post workout - within 15-30 mins for a speedy recovery
6. Casein at night - so that your body feeds while you sleep

IMO anything else is a waste of money and I've tried almost everything.

[Bang!]

You work out three times a day?

[Warpath]

I'll add my recommendation of supplements:

> Whey protein
> Dextrose
> Maltodextrin

^ These three make-up the post-workout shake. Fast absorbing protein for muscle repair and complex carbohydrates for restoring glycogen levels.

> Creatine monohydrate (spoon in your mouth and wash down with post-workout shake)
> Glutamine (same with creatine)
> Casein protein taken before bed
> Flax-seed oil right before bed
> Multi-vitamins

Sounds like a lot, but they're pretty cheap. And you can order them in bulk off this site: http://www.1fast400.com/ (dextrose is $2 a bag)

The only expensive part is the glutamine. It's not as essential as the others though. But it's really helpful with recovery.

[Equipoise]

This is what I would use for bulking

1. Casein in the morning - protein that takes 4-7 hours to digest
2. CEE before workouts - it helps me a lot with energy
3. Black currant oil before workouts - converts to AA to help you put on lean muscle. or try to eat beef everyday instead.
4. Whey during or post workout - isopure rtd's are worth the price during workouts.
5. Maltodextrin post workout - within 15-30 mins for a speedy recovery
6. Casein at night - so that your body feeds while you sleep

IMO anything else is a waste of money and I've tried almost everything.

<-- has tried everything.

Kre-Alkalyn is a better way to go than CEE. As for the currants, I'm skeptical.
No2 has worked for me with increased vascularity and endurance as well as boosting my appetite. When you get brave you can do Ergomax, Superdrol or a Tribulus blend.

[Hwarangwarrior]

Yes I workout 3 times a day lower body monday, wednesday, satuarday upper body tuesday, friday and sunday.Seperated into barbell workout first 45 minutes then bodyweight excercises 45 minutes then dumbell excercises 1 hour for both upper and lower body. So thanks for the input now could some people recommend how lon g should i wait between workouts and if it helps to have fat to gain muscle?Thanks.

[Gringo Grande]

Here's my opinion on your workout and if someone such as Akira disagrees, listen to him.

To gain mass/muscle...you are first going to want to worry about your diet...then the supps. Your caloric intake will need to increase substantially to add significant mass.

That being said, if you are working out for 2 1/2 - 3 hours a day 6 days a week...IMHO this is too much and you are either going to burn out or not realize the gains you could with a little more rest for your body.

When I was much younger and knew NOTHING about weightlifting instead of the little I knew now...I'd do chest 3 days a week thinking that would make me bigger/stronger. It was too much and I got stuck at one weight that I could never get over.

This year I started working out with a fucking huge dude who spent 8 or 9 years in prison...not jail...prison. Let me tell you something...people in prison know how to work out for size/strength.

I've always done 8 - 12 reps x 3 without much variation and this bastard starts having me do 5 x 5....I've increased my max on the bench by almost 70 pounds and am up big every place else as well.

Ok...so I got a bit off subject there ;)

What I was trying to say is, I'd really reconsider your current routine as I question whether it is really going to serve your intended purpose. Work out smarter, not longer.

Gringo Grande