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  1. Iron Rooster is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Real Ninjutsu

    Bujinkan is about as real as you going to get. I have not seen a technique that is not easily applied. They also haven't mentioned anything about poisoning my enemies and usurping their lifestyle, so it is better than Ashida Kim, right?
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    Thanks Iron Rooster.

    Bujinkan for the project
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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    I just split this thread in order to save it. Shen and Dale, do not post in this thread, they will be erased. I do not want to see a continuation of your dislike for each other here. I don't care who started it. Take it to pm or trollshido.
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    Yes. I am researching a very important project to promote Bullshido and get me a job.

    Take it somewhere else.
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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    Posted On:
    8/23/2010 7:26pm

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    Hello, I`m new to this board and indeoendently from this topic
    being very old, I'd like to comment at least on one statement:


    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere
    Takamatsu (Hatsumi's teacher) did pretty much save the Kukishinden
    school because he had a copy of the schools Makimono that were lost.
    For me this sounds like one of the "mysteries surrounding the ninja".
    In Japanese there are for example things often less obvious, e.g.
    scroll/a scroll/the scroll/scrolls or the scroll could be called
    makimono and you don`t always know automatically,
    which of these possibilities is meant exactly.

    Looking at the homepage of the kuki-family
    you can read about this story and they tell
    people like you / Gezere to learn first about
    the facts before spreading around rumours.

    Yes, takamatsu sensei has rescued some scrolls.
    Unfortunately (again, look at the kuki-homepage)
    they don`t seem to deal with martial arts (techniques)
    exclusively or where they do so, mainly with arts which
    were already "outdated"/dead at takamtsu sensei's time.

    Indepently from that, the martial arts are transmitted within a
    shihanke-lineage and (at least openly) not by the ske-lineage
    - but the scrolls saved by takamatsu belong to the kuki's archive.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilf Muecke View Post
    Hello, I`m new to this board and indeoendently from this topic
    being very old, I'd like to comment at least on one statement:



    For me this sounds like one of the "mysteries surrounding the ninja".
    In Japanese there are for example things often less obvious, e.g.
    scroll/a scroll/the scroll/scrolls or the scroll could be called
    makimono and you don`t always know automatically,
    which of these possibilities is meant exactly.

    Looking at the homepage of the kuki-family
    you can read about this story and they tell
    people like you / Gezere to learn first about
    the facts before spreading around rumours.

    Yes, takamatsu sensei has rescued some scrolls.
    Unfortunately (again, look at the kuki-homepage)
    they don`t seem to deal with martial arts (techniques)
    exclusively or where they do so, mainly with arts which
    were already "outdated"/dead at takamtsu sensei's time.

    Indepently from that, the martial arts are transmitted within a
    shihanke-lineage and (at least openly) not by the ske-lineage
    - but these scrolls saved by takamatsu belong to the kuki's archive.
    This is going to be one of those lurk more and post less comments. Your post is not a reason to bump a thread.

    Second you might want to look at Gezere's credentials and take his post in context.

    Anyway welcome to bullshido. Are you fluent in Japanese?
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    [...] you might want to look at Gezere's
    credentials and take his post in context.
    I don`t think that context does really matter that much in this case.
    He doesn't seem to believe in the "bujinkan = ninjutsu"-thing, okay.

    What I atttacked was his clear statement that takamatsu sensei
    did save the kukishinden
    school (this alone is already misleading,
    as this could be mistaken for "kukishinden
    ry". Kukishinden ry
    would mean, that he talks about the bujinkan's gendai style,
    as originally it's kukishin ry or kukishinden tenshin
    hyh but outside bujinkan not kukishinden ry).


    Sorry for me nitpicking all the time but I think
    - and I learned - that without it, one tends
    to believe to easily in things which often
    aren't what they
    seemed to be first.




    About credentials:

    At university we do talk about works of doctors of xy
    & independently from their credentials have to judge
    or at least discuss what they do write in books etc.
    based on what we did learn ourselves at university,
    as one's credentials are one (important?) thing
    and knowledge about some very specific
    topics, circumstances etc. another.




    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Anyway welcome to bullshido.
    Thank you very much.



    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Are you fluent in Japanese?
    No, but the information is available in English, anyway.
    on the kuki's homepage you can see, what scrolls exactly
    takamatsu sensei did recompile/copy for the kuki back then.
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    Posted On:
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    I've moved this thread out of the wiki discussion forum because the thread content doesn't exactly fit the criteria for that forum and, given that it's (partly) related to JMA, I thought it better in here.
    "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".

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    Posted On:
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    Basically, you are trying to educate someone who most likely knows more about Japanese Martial Lineage than you.

    I will contact him so, he can add more context to your assumptions about his knowledge.
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    Posted On:
    8/24/2010 11:13am

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    Well, I hope we won't have to discuss that all the time
    as that was absolutely not what I was writing here for.

    Probably said user knows more about lineages,
    as I'm not really that much interested in them.
    Is your point "Who knows less than another is
    automatically always wrong and vice versa." ?

    We see here a couple of pages and I did comment on
    one single sentence only
    - there's the problem ?
    If you don't agree with what the kuki do write
    about their lieage, that's not my problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.shinjin.co.jp/kuki/hyoho/mystic_e.htm#n1
    [...] there is a view in which all the documents which had been preserved by the Kuki family were reduced to ashes when their house burned down completely in the US air strikes on Akashi during the War, which is rather misunderstanding. We feel furious for those who comment on the Kuki archives, just referring to the second-hand information without looking at existing documents. The view that all the documents were "burned" is based on the four-line sentence 1 Takamatsu Chosui wrote on July 20, 1947 in the preface to Amatsutatarahibunn Kaidokuhen and also the conversation Chosui had with the people concerned [...]

    1 "[the Kuki documents] were lost in an air raid in 1945, when they were preserved by the 73th head of the Kukis. Fortunately, I [Chosui] had got an opprtunity to read the documents before it. [...]"

    Once again concerning kukishin vs kukishinden:
    Here, I was a bit imprecise. In the context
    of "takamtsu saved kukishinden school" it's
    absolutely not and can't be very misleading.
    In general
    it can be misleading not to exactly
    name the school we talk about - I had it so very
    often with bujinkan members who mixed up everything.
    Last edited by Wilf Muecke; 8/24/2010 11:26am at .
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