"Native" Martial Arts

**Blue Collar** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 5:54am

Does anyone have any information on the legitemacy of the Native American fighting arts as taught by Robert Redfeather and Adrian Roman? They both sound like a money manking scam to me.

**Method2Madness** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 8:18am

http://members.aol.com/irondogfst/do...redfeather.htm
http://www.maotw.com/gmg/t/tiegou.html

is this the Redfeather of which you speak?

**Blue Collar** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 8:43am

Originally Posted by Method2Madness

http://members.aol.com/irondogfst/do...redfeather.htm
http://www.maotw.com/gmg/t/tiegou.html

is this the Redfeather of which you speak?

Yep. Thanks for the links, too. It seems that there is much more Bullshido there that meets the eye.

**Method2Madness** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 8:53am

Originally Posted by Blue Collar

Yep. Thanks for the links, too. It seems that there is much more Bullshido there that meets the eye.

seems like it

**Blue Collar** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 9:13am

I'm curious as to the authenticity of his "Apache knifefighting". The photos in the link you posted speaks volumes about the kind of "master" Redfeather may be.

**Planktime** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 9:14am

I can't say that I know any more then I have read on these two sites. I am suspicious of anyone who claims to know a native art since it isn’t like the Apache wrote their system down, created forms, or are really mentioned anywhere in a historical sense. I am sure they had a fighting system, whether these gentlemen are teaching THAT system seems bullshido.

I could claim that i know a viking system of martial arts since my family is decended form the norse who took over part of england that would rock :viking:

**Blue Collar** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 9:17am

Those were my thoughts exactly.

**Blue Collar** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 9:22am

I already know thah Adrian Roman is a bullshitter from his black-belt-by-mail program. His Native American martial arts system is probably bull **** too.

**daGorilla** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 9:25am

Originally Posted by Planktime

I can't say that I know any more then I have read on these two sites. I am suspicious of anyone who claims to know a native art since it isn’t like the Apache wrote their system down, created forms, or are really mentioned anywhere in a historical sense. I am sure they had a fighting system, whether these gentlemen are teaching THAT system seems bullshido.

I could claim that i know a viking system of martial arts since my family is decended form the norse who took over part of england that would rock :viking:

I don't see any blatant Bullshido from those links. All I see is a guy that likes to get photos with B (or C-level) actors and some prominent martial arts masters -- and his claims seem reasonably legit, with the exception of the apache knife-fighting system. However, I don't find it completely unbelieveable that a) such a system might exist; and b) that he may have learned it. If such a system exists, why would it be so hard to believe that he learned it? It's likely not a very old system.... probably much younger than those 1000-year old martial arts....

Anyway -- like I said -- I don't see any *blatant* Bullshido -- just some information that raises questions.

-daGorilla

**Method2Madness** · Posted On: 10/03/2005 9:27am

i highly doubt that this guy has the real Native American martial arts. I know that native american warriors trained in wrestling, like most cultures do, but i don't think they had a systemized martial art.