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  • No one can break my guard of steel!

    9 42.86%
  • No guy gets to wrap his legs around my waist and go unpunished.

    12 57.14%
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  1. JKDChick is offline
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    There's your poll, dude.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I don't think anyone is guard bashing, but being on top is generally considered the superior position. Jamaleo beat JJ Machado about 8 years ago in a sport BJJ match because at the end of the match he was on top and in the guard. You get advantage points for half-guard when you're on top and you get chest-on-chest. The only points you get for guard are when you reverse the guy and you get on top - even when you end up in his guard - because it's recognised that being on top is a superior position.

    Think of it this way - if you were grappling or fighting someone bigger than you, would you rather be underneath where he can use his weight on you, or on top in his guard. I know I'd definately prefer to be on top.
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    Posted On:
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I suck at both, but it still depends for me. If the guy is much bigger than I, I can't keep guard as well. Furthermore, I'd rather HIM be on bottom if he's big. Then, as others have mentioned, it being straight BJJ or MMA makes a difference.

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyS
    I don't think anyone is guard bashing, but being on top is generally considered the superior position. Jamaleo beat JJ Machado about 8 years ago in a sport BJJ match because at the end of the match he was on top and in the guard. You get advantage points for half-guard when you're on top and you get chest-on-chest. The only points you get for guard are when you reverse the guy and you get on top - even when you end up in his guard - because it's recognised that being on top is a superior position.

    Think of it this way - if you were grappling or fighting someone bigger than you, would you rather be underneath where he can use his weight on you, or on top in his guard. I know I'd definately prefer to be on top.

    Well you are certainly right, especially about the point system. I see what your saying so let me clarify: I would rather be standing up and trying to pass than having my back to the ground. But Id rather be holding guard then being INSIDE someone's guard.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Nobody is guard bashing, people are just expressing their preference. Personally, I think being on your back using the guard is by far the most interesting aspect of BJJ. It just happens to be that, no matter how hard I work on my guard, my passing game is stronger.
    I pointed at him [the panhandler], bringing my rear hand up in a subtle approximation of the double Wu Sau guard that is the default hand position in Wing Chun Kung Fu.

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    When you add punches the whole game changes. And it does not change in favor of the guy on bottom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
    When you add punches the whole game changes. And it does not change in favor of the guy on bottom.
    Ha! You are right about that.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I have a fear of running into a guy like rampage who would slam me on my head.
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  9. Cassius is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Which is why you simply open you guard when they lift you.
    Now you're just being silly. Quit using common sense!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Which is why you simply open you guard when they lift you.
    It's a tough decision to make, especially if you have a triangle locked really well. And if all a guy has to do to get out of it is pick you up, you'll be seen as weak.
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