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  1. hapkido_keith is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey
    I am betting I would find this thread alot more informative if I spoke :XXbunny: but as it stands all these terms leave me in the dark . Some times I think I get what your saying then you say something that belongs in tenticle porn .

    Maybe I just need to get out of Kentucky more often ...
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    Peter H's comments made a lot of sense, except the aiki and budo are not compatable part. Many of the quotes I've read from Ueshiba delt with budo.

    A few things to add about that dojo, we have a guy in town who claims to teach their style, he is overpriced (100 a month plus 20 per class mat fee for 2 classes a week with a black belt club of another 100 a month for 2 more classes a week and 2 weekends a month to get you a 1st Dan in 1 year and be as he put it "Better trained and skilled in aikido then any other school in the area!")

    I am sure these guys are legit in what they do (its real aikido), but it did look Mcdojoish with the prices, and from meeting the guy in my town, if that is representitive of the types of people they train I wouldn't want to associate with them (Note that I am not saying this is how they all are, I'm just saying I hope they are not like this).

    On the techniques I wonder if they really shot those videos or found them on the net. I've seen some of those videos before on other websites. They are a little sloppy and not my favorite way to perform Kotegaeshi. One thing I do like about this being brought up in this thread is that it points out the fact that their is more then one way to do it and most ways are effective (unless their sloppy).

    As for the question of strikes durring techniques, if done right he wouldn't need to strike at all. I think the purpose was just to show that you could flash to the face to get a reaction, or punch them if you needed too. However if done right it would be un-needed. And with the speed of the technique I think that weak limp wristed punch was just about the right speed for the technique.

    In any case, it looks like a lot of aikido schools I've visited, but its a little suspect with the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp
    he is overpriced (100 a month plus 20 per class mat fee for 2 classes a week with a black belt club of another 100 a month for 2 more classes a week and 2 weekends a month
    You sure your numbers are right? $100 + ($20 * 2 per week * 4 weeks a month) = $260 plus the BB club so almost $400 a month? Christ that's almost criminal. No art is worth that.
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    Budo Not Compatible with Aiki

    Budo is the way of fighting, the way of combat, military way, martial way.
    Aiki is the spiritual harmony.

    One is fighting, one is being at peace with the universe.

    Both are overused marketing ploys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateNinja5000
    You sure your numbers are right? $100 + ($20 * 2 per week * 4 weeks a month) = $260 plus the BB club so almost $400 a month? Christ that's almost criminal. No art is worth that.
    yea, his pamphlet said 100.00 a month for training plus 20.00 daily mat fee. Then went on to the blackbelt club for an additional 100.00 a month. He also talked about an instructor course but prices wernt' listed but it said "Learn to become an instructor and get your black belt at the same time, be your own boss and make as much money as you want". The guy also had quotes from him on his pamphlet including and i'm not kidding a quote from Kisshomaru Ueshiba saying "Your aikido stinks". Which he trys to spin off saying his aikido was too hard and more like the harder aikido of Morihei's youth.

    I never actually watched his aikido. I found the guy too much of a tool to bother with.

    Peter H. I'm not sure Ueshiba would agree with you on the defination of budo.

    "True Budo is done for the sake of 'building peace'. Train every day so as to make peace between this spirit [Budo] and all things manifested on the face of the Earth." From the book "Budo Training in Aikido" (aka: Budo Renshu/ Aikijujutsu Ogi), written by Ueshiba Morihei - published in 1933

    I'm not saying you are wrong, i'm just saying he might have a different take on that. However I agree they are both marketing ploys in the modern area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp
    Peter H. I'm not sure Ueshiba would agree with you on the defination of budo.

    "True Budo is done for the sake of 'building peace'. Train every day so as to make peace between this spirit [Budo] and all things manifested on the face of the Earth." From the book "Budo Training in Aikido" (aka: Budo Renshu/ Aikijujutsu Ogi), written by Ueshiba Morihei - published in 1933

    O-Sensei changed his definitions as time went on. There is also a reason he stopped calling his art Aikibudo and started calling it Aikido after WW2, he removed the Bu. I also leave it to philosophers to interpret what he was saying.

    If you ask 10 different japanese art instructors their definitions of Aiki and Budo and you will get 11 different answers.

    Usually, when an instructor claims to be teaching "Budo" they are actually talking about a watered down, westernized version of Bushido. Honor and respect, with out the killing.

    When they talk Aiki, they are talking about beign non-offensive and non-violent. Almost passive or meek.

    I consider them at odds with each other. I can't teach some one to be non-offensive and non-violent while teaching them about fighting. I can't teach you about spiritual harmony at the same time I am teaching them to put a guys head through a wall.

    I elect to teach neither. I don't teach Aiki, I don't teach Budo. I teach Aikido.
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    Really, I think you could pull out a Ueshiba quotation to support just about anything. One could even use the same quotation in two different documents to support opposing contentions. BTW I do hope everyone realises the figures fictionpimp has been citing are not from field aikido...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DayOfTheJackass
    Really, I think you could pull out a Ueshiba quotation to support just about anything. One could even use the same quotation in two different documents to support opposing contentions. BTW I do hope everyone realises the figures fictionpimp has been citing are not from field aikido...

    correct, the guy i'm talking about only claims to have trained in the same style, but is not from field aikido.
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    I like the quote from the PDF file. (which btw focuses only on the "be a blackbelt" thing)

    "If all you can do is kick and punch you could end up in gaol!"

    which is true I suppose. This is why I love grappling. Because there's no way I'll end up in "gaol"

    Edit: I just remembered this is bullshido, so I might add : And yes I KNOW that gaol actually is a way to write Jail....
    Last edited by fanatical; 11/22/2005 11:04am at .
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    British people spell jail that way? crazy.
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