Thread: creatine & caffeine
9/28/2005 11:07am, #31Originally Posted by PirateNinja5000
9/28/2005 12:26pm, #32Originally Posted by Honor
not me, it works great for me so far, and is much easier to take that monohydrate (dissolves completely instead of being silt at the bottom of the glass) and has caused NO gastrointestinal discomfort like mono did for me (the reason I stopped taking it).I think it was two ninjas taped together, to make one GIANT NINJA!!!!
10/04/2005 10:31pm, #33
I was just wondering if anyone knows this: if caffeine has such a negative effect on creatine, then what about those supplements such as no-explode, nox cg, and all that. Those are all pretty packed with caffeine. I have been told that it's fine because it's not creatine monohydrate, and also that loading with that stuff is not needed, true, false, what?
10/05/2005 6:19pm, #34Originally Posted by Ames
The nox cg looks to be just creatine, arginine and glutamine.
Regardless of the source of creatine, I would suspect that you need to load, to have any effect.
Brought this up in class (exercise physiology) last week - professor says caffeine is not a powerful diuretic to be a problem with creatine. He's also pretty skeptical of the supplement industry in general (having worked for EAS). The no-explode sounds typical of the kind of thing he talks about - a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Some of the compounds, taken separately, may have desirable effects, but taken together in a mix like that? Who knows.
Personally, I suspect supplement companies pick their ingredients based on how the mix can be hyped, and not on whether it may actually work. Caffeine works, creatine works, sure, why not throw them together! Arginine, too!
As for caffeine v. creatine, I'd be more concerned with different energy systems activated by either creatine or caffeine; and that using both at once may cause one system to cancel out the other.
Again, the important question is what kind of performance are you trying to improve?
As for farm workers and coffee - that's pretty common, actually. Mom used to bring out a thermos of coffee for out afternoon (4 o'clock) lunch break - in the summer time, we had four meals - breakfast, dinner at noon, lunch at four, supper 'bout eight or nine - use of a lot of calories in a 12 hour day.
And the benefits of caffeine in this case can be understood from what I've stated previously - caffeine boosts aerobic performance. Among other things, helps mobilize lipids, which are preferred in muscle at low exercise levels; and are pretty plentiful in those four-a-day meals - heavy on the meat and gravy. That's the secret of "farm strong".
The caffeine may not affect hydration as much as expected - found one study that did not find a difference in hydration status after exercise, when comparing caffeinated and non-caffeinated sports drinks. Caffeine affects primarly water re-absorption, but that's not the only mechanism for retaining body fluids (which, as I got to thinking about it, is an argument that caffeine isn't going to affect creatine all that much, at least, not the diuretic effect of caffeine).
10/09/2005 8:54am, #35
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I like coca cola. Even though it has caffine.