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  1. PirateJon is offline
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    and good morning to you too

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    SUMO WINS AGAIN!
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    Don't even get under fat guys for a throw. Rather move them around and let them trip over their own feet.
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    It's worked for me.

    Not suggesting tomoe nage, just redirect and trip. And it is damn easier to get a fat guy to come forward than it is to go backwards for something like osotogari.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll
    Whilest the idea of a fat man practicing roling breakfalls in an office cubicle is inherently amusing.
    I was serious about that. I'm a 'big boned' lad, and I very much appreciated my childhood judo and recent 'Jitsu Foundation' breakfalling practice when we practiced throws at Tai Chi recently. It's more important to be able to breakfall when you're a hefty lump because you're going to hit much harder when thrown.

    It's not fair to rely on the skill of your opponent to slow down your fall for you when you outweigh them hugely, as they can end up injuring themselves trying to control your bulk. Much fairer (and more realistic) to expect them to dump you as quick as they can (so they spend the minimum poss. time having to take your load), and rely on yourself to prevent injury.
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    I agree with Yrkoon. If I had to throw somebody my own weight, I can't imagine trying to do some sort of hip throw. I would be trying to take their legs out from under them one way or the other.
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    Oh, well, didn't look at it that way.

    I agree, hip throws are a bad idea.

    BUT MY ADVICE IS AWESOME! SO THERE!!!!!
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    Hip throws are not a bad idea, provided your technique is good and you're both at equal skill levels. I personally prefer foot sweeps when I'm significantly outsized, but that's simply because my footsweeps are better than my hip throws.

    The biggest problem with obese people is usually the off balance. It takes more effort to take their balance, but if your kuzushi is on and your technique is correct, the weight should not be a significant factor regarding hip throws.

    I believe that Jekyll's original critique regarding potential problems with your form was probably right on the money.
    Last edited by lawdog; 9/22/2005 11:26am at .
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    Try using Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi. It's an easy throw to apply, and can work on ppl of any size. If you don't know what it is, goto judoinfo and see the clips there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    I agree with Yrkoon. If I had to throw somebody my own weight, I can't imagine trying to do some sort of hip throw. I would be trying to take their legs out from under them one way or the other.

    If you had some one your own weight to throw, you would probably be using hip throws more, as your very short for your weight :wbaba and hip throws (more so than many throws) are about getting your centre of under the guy being thrown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    I was serious about that. I'm a 'big boned' lad, and I very much appreciated my childhood judo and recent 'Jitsu Foundation' breakfalling practice when we practiced throws at Tai Chi recently.
    ... I had no idea that Tai Chi had throwing techniques. When did it become a striking art? What happened to those fat guys who move really slow in the park with no shirt on? And Jet Li making balls of leaves with his chi force?
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