Thread: Arm Bar Theory
9/21/2005 7:40pm, #11Originally Posted by lawdog
Anyway to answer the (odd) question. YES you can armbar someone from any position so long as its SUPERIOR position.
9/21/2005 8:08pm, #12Originally Posted by 5FingazofDeath
I imagine a 300 lb. BJJ black belt or collegiate wrestler will often be able to control a 100lb. noobie despite being in that person's guard.
9/21/2005 8:17pm, #13Originally Posted by lawdog
Well....yeah! If you put it like that, sure. But someone is ONLY able to control someone else from there if the skill/size difference is that great.
Sure before you pass the gaurd you have to somewhat control the guy from trying to control you, but that only for a second just to try and pass. You cant really sit there and really think that YOU are going to be the dominant one in that situation, and you CERTAINLY cant expect to submit them from there!
Postion before submission.
9/21/2005 8:31pm, #14Originally Posted by 5FingazofDeath
However, the whole "position before submission" mantra has to do with my initial point regarding immobilization. It does no good to attempt an armbar if you cannot immobilize your opponent. However regarding the initial question, it was rather strange and I still don't know exactly what the hell he was asking, but I took it be be a theoretical question, and theoretically you can perfrom an armbar from almost any position as long as you can immobilize your opponent.
In my original post that you quoted where I said it would be damn hard to control him from inside his guard, that should have been understood as understatement. Generally you won't control anybody from inside their guard.
However, I have tapped BJJ players before with a choke applied from within their guard. Like you said, you have to have superior skill or size and strength.
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9/21/2005 8:49pm, #15
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Guard is a neutral position. No one has a great deal of control over the other.
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9/21/2005 8:59pm, #16Originally Posted by chaosexmachina
Being in a person's guard is more a nuisance to me than anything else. I don't feel that they are in control of me at all. I do feel it is hard to work most submissions from within someone's guard. Like I said, I've had success with chokes from within the guard, but I've never managed an arm bar, although I'm sure I could under the right circumstances.
I also don't like using the guard. I hate being on my back. It's a throwback from my wrestling days, and a product of the judo rule set.
9/21/2005 9:40pm, #17
So basically what we're saying here is that an armbar (I'm going to apply this term loosely and assume that we are referring to the family of arm locks that work their magic by straightening the arm and cranking the elbow) can THEORETICALLY, if the moon, planets, stars, and helio's taint are all properly aligned, be put on from any position. GOOD THREAD GUYS!
I actually have seen some of the shoulder locks that include kimuras, paintbrush/americana, etc applied from bizarro positions, but they have always been done by a much more experienced grappler on someone who clearly would have lost the grappling game regardless. Maybe the more experienced guy was in the newbie's guard and was cranking the arm to bait something and the newbie didn't know to move his arm or something like that . . .
Now for a more worthwhile topic:
I have a theory that sex can be done from any position as long as it involves pixie dust and Smucker's strawberry preserves. Please discuss.
Also, I have heard Wing Chun is good. Please discuss that too.
9/21/2005 9:42pm, #18
You can't get an armbar in space.
9/21/2005 9:49pm, #19
Yes you can. You just have to extend the guy's arm far enough. You use your glutes to push him "down" and "raise" your hips, hyperextending his arm.
9/21/2005 9:50pm, #20Originally Posted by KungFuDoesWork