Need some help

**Sophist** · Posted On: 9/26/2005 4:36am

Originally Posted by Meager

Can you guillotine in judo?

Not as a neck crank, though it's legal as a choke (reverse hadaka-jime). Still, you may run into referee problems if it looks like a neck crank.

**Locu5** · Posted On: 9/26/2005 5:47am

If he does get the o soto gari, try to counter with either moroto seionage or tsuri goshi (or some gross combination of the two as I have done before) since you have the grips for it and you can use the turning momentum from his throw.

**judogido** · Posted On: 9/26/2005 5:59pm

Originally Posted by locu5

If he does get the o soto gari, try to counter with either moroto seionage or tsuri goshi (or some gross combination of the two as I have done before) since you have the grips for it and you can use the turning momentum from his throw.

Huh? Not counters to Osoto as far as I know....

**Locu5** · Posted On: 9/26/2005 6:19pm

Next time I am around a camera I wil try to get a vid to better demonstrate it. I personally use it when they counter my osoto gari with an osoto gari.

**AFS** · Posted On: 9/26/2005 10:47pm

Fighting soemone with a defensive posture is not simple.
If you than also get countered all the time with O Soto suggests that he is having a far better grip than you.
To throw somebody who is in such a posture requieres
- a dominant grip - make sure you get the best grip for your throw, and don't allow him to grip for O Soto
- movement. Move this guy around, prepare your throw , set him up. He won't be able to keep up this posture, if he has to follow you around. But don't go crazy, just prepare your technique, move him, use your foot sweeps to set him up.
- technique - if you manage to unbalance him with the your grip and movement, you should be able to set him up for the hip throw. The sutemi waza are a good suggestion, but not the panacea, since he may just wait for you to do it. ( And than counter you again)
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**MEGALEF** · Posted On: 9/29/2005 3:21pm

I sparred a guy who leans forward a lot today and tried with a sumi gaesh. I'm an utter noob to standup grappling (however so was he) and still managed to get it right over and over again.

Damn judo is fun once you're not so afraid of falling any more.

**JohnnyFive** · Posted On: 9/29/2005 3:31pm

If he's low and his butt is out, can you take the power (over the shoulder) grip?

**_Mick_** · Posted On: 9/29/2005 6:21pm

Originally Posted by judogido

Huh? Not counters to Osoto as far as I know....

EVERY throw has counters. ura nage and osoto gaeshi are the ones i tend to use.

**Omar** · Posted On: 9/29/2005 6:48pm

I read his comment as meaning those throws were not counters to Osoto Gari.

I read it the first time the way you did and then realized:

1.That didn't make sense.

2.He said "not" not "no".

**_Mick_** · Posted On: 9/29/2005 7:45pm

Originally Posted by Omar

I read his comment as meaning those throws were not counters to Osoto Gari.

I read it the first time the way you did and then realized:

1.That didn't make sense.

2.He said "not" not "no".

heh. i guess i should read the posts that i'm replying to.