Need some help

**Jekyll** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:21pm

Originally Posted by lawdog

sumi-gaeshi (my favorite sacrifice throw).

I was in a similar situation last night except with a 20kg weight difference. It's all about sumi-gaeshi, with one hand down the back and gripping the belt.
It gave me enough control over him, that I could perform it slowly and throw him for ipon when he knew it was coming on.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:28pm

Originally Posted by Arahoushi

You may be making fun of me, but I did that in the third round of randori. I even got him in a cross-choke, but missed my application and we ended up struggling for a hold or choke until the end of the round.

Nope, not kidding.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:29pm

Originally Posted by lawdog

If you plan to compete in judo, I'd avoid pulling guard. You'll end up giving your opponent an ippon. Don't confuse the 2 sports, BJJ and judo.

You lack the true JUDO !!

**lawdog** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:33pm

Originally Posted by Jekyll

I was in a similar situation last night except with a 20kg weight difference. It's all about sumi-gaeshi, with one hand down the back and gripping the belt.
It gave me enough control over him, that I could perform it slowly and throw him for ipon when he knew it was coming on.

Good job! :eusa_clap It's a great feeling isn't it? I love having it locked in to an extent that they can't do a damn thing about it even when they know it's coming. I love sumi-gaeshi for that reason.

**lawdog** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:37pm

Originally Posted by BatRonin

You lack the true JUDO !!

Perhaps, but I posess the "I'd rather win than lose the match" judo. :eusa_pray

**Ronin** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:37pm

For the NON-judoka:

**lawdog** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:46pm

Originally Posted by BatRonin

For the NON-judoka:

Good illustration. Also for the non-judoka. As opposed to a tomoe-nage (the sacrifice throw that James Bond did a lot where he falls back, puts fut in the gut and throws the person directly behind him), sumi-gaeshi is little more of a rolling throw and is finished by throwing the person back and to the side a bit, as opposed to directly behind you. I think this makes it a little harder to counter and a more natural movement for the thrower.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:50pm

You can also pull a "kosen type" guard ( not that a BJJ wouldn't pull it either).

**lawdog** · Posted On: 9/21/2005 12:54pm

Originally Posted by BatRonin

You can also pull a "kosen type" guard ( not that a BJJ wouldn't pull it either).

I'm aware of Kosen Judo but never been exposed to it. I don't know what a Kosen Guard is. How does it differ from the BJJ guard, or a normal judo guard?

Also, you used to be able to pull your opponent down to the mat any way you wanted, but the new rules prohibit that. It needs to be an attempted throw now.

The biggest problem with pulling guard is that your opponent can react to that and turn it into his own throw.