Thread: Need some help
9/20/2005 11:06pm, #1
Need some help
So tonight in randori I got trounced. I was going against a guy 20lbs heavier than me, but about the same amount of training. After we came to grips (migi-shizen) he stuck his ass out behind him and kept his legs away from me (what can I say? I like sweeps.). No problem, I thought, I'll just go for a hip throw.
But any time I closed the gap to throw with my hips, he'd step in and do o-soto-gari. I tried to throw him over me as I went down once, and we ended up grappling with him smothering me with his shoulder (I tapped).
So, how does one manage to successfully throw or take down a guy who moves his legs back out? Is there any way I can pull him forward into kuzushi without attempting a hip or shoulder throw (especially on a 225 pound guy)?--
9/20/2005 11:15pm, #2
There are many strategies to deal with that.
Probably the simplest is too fake your hip throw and throw a tomoe-nage, or sumi-gaeshi (my favorite sacrifice throw).
Uchimata will also work well if you're good at it. One of my favorite combos that I was just talking about on another thread is uchimata to tai-otoshi.
9/20/2005 11:20pm, #3
I don't think I've learned uchimata yet. Is it in the "Kodokan Judo" book?--
9/20/2005 11:36pm, #4
Yes, it is in the book.
It's an "inside leg Reap". The proper way to do it is to reap the inside of their thigh. So, in a conventional grip (right handed), you'd be reaping the inside of their right thigh with your right thigh. If you look at the book you'll see what I mean. That is the proper way to do the throw. However, when your opponent is bent over with his legs back, I would reap the inside of his left leg with my right leg, reaping a bit toward the outside, hop a bit, and if you can't dump him, step into a tao-otoshi and finish it that way.
Another good throw against a bent over opponent, especially if he really outweighs you is sasae-tsurikomi ashi. I'd use a Russian grip if he's bent over. Or, use a conventional grip and go for sasae-tsurikomi ashi just to straighten him up, then when he reacts by straightening up step into a tsurikomi goshi. That combo works great when opponent is bent over.
Sometimes, just for the hell of it, I'll step back, take a knee and yank them straight down to the mat (simultaneously) just to show them how un-balanced they are.
9/21/2005 3:11am, #5
Seio Nage- yank him around for the opening. If he is heavier, he is probably slower and a good drop Seio Nage/Soto Makkikomi will work great.
9/21/2005 10:46am, #6Originally Posted by lawdog
9/21/2005 10:59am, #7
9/21/2005 11:12am, #8
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Think of it this way: if his legs are away from you, he's bent over and he's gripping your gi, you already HAVE a kuzushi, you just need to pick a correct throw. As somebody already suggested: uchimata, sumigaeshi, tomoe nage, tsurigoshi.
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9/21/2005 11:13am, #9Originally Posted by BatRonin--
9/21/2005 11:30am, #10Originally Posted by Arahoushi