9/21/2005 2:11pm, #11
He most likely attended seminars for the majority of those styles and now claims to have "mastered" them. It seems unlikely that anyone would be able to proficiently train WELL in that many things. It's the simple matter of quantity verses quality.
9/21/2005 5:03pm, #12
He did make up his own style, basically.
He calls it the Degerberg blend. There's 5 or 6 levels of proficiency/intensity. White Belts start at Level I, Black Belts and such are at Level VI. A majority of the classes are that way.
9/21/2005 11:46pm, #13A State Weightlifting Champion 1964-1965
Black Belt in Judo (Placed as high as 4th in International Competition)
Black Belt in Karate
Professional Security Work -15 years experience in Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles for rock concert promotions
Bodyguard for Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, John Belushi, Dan Ackroyd, Werner Erhart, etc.
Security Chief for JAM productions in Chicago 10 years.
Over 50 years experience (as instructor and trainer) in the following martial arts:
Tae Kwon Do
Jeet Kune Do
Full Contact Karate
He may have attended seminars, read books, maybe even trained in depth in 2 or 3 of those arts, he may have McDojo issued blackbelts, but not way is he proficient to a significant degree in all of them. That's 3 or 4 lifetimes worth of knowledge if you really study rather than a cursory glance-over. I call Bullshido.
9/23/2005 12:09pm, #14
I brought my gi back and asked for my refund.
"Sir, give us your name, address, and phone number, and we'll mail it back to you in 2-3 weeks."
"Why will it take 2-3 weeks? It takes two-three days to send something in the mail."
"That's the way we handle things."
(internal monologue here - the following did not actually occur)
"Here's also how you handle things: You tell people they get a month of classes for only $20 on the Internet, then tell them they only get 8 classes in person. You expect people to spend close to $2000 in a year based on an eight-hour experience over the course of a month. I have been very patient, even when being taught how to throw a jab when I told your school I had about 3 years of boxing experience. Now you're telling me I can't have a refund until next month because "that's how you do things."
(/end internal monologue)
It ended that they would try to expedite matters.
If I don't get my check within a week, I'm debating filing a complaint with the Better Business Bureau over deceptive and unfair practices.
9/23/2005 12:27pm, #15
- Join Date
- Oct 2004
- So Cal
Damn! This school really stays in business? That says a lot about how gullable people attending the school are :5dunce: . That's really ridiculous, talk about price gouging, OMG!!! What floors me is that school has been up and running for many years.
9/23/2005 12:32pm, #16
You should have done your write up after you got your money back.
9/23/2005 1:15pm, #17Originally Posted by Blue Collar
9/23/2005 1:19pm, #18
- Join Date
- Oct 2004
- So Cal
All that means is that there are a lot of stupid people in Chicago that keep it in business. A fool and his money are easily parted.
9/23/2005 1:35pm, #19
Succesfull yes, since that academy was presented here, in Budoka-magazine in 1984 or so. Fredīs been long time in biznez. Didnīt Inosanto hold seminars there? They did not mention the cost of training in article though. Iīll dig the mag out.
9/23/2005 1:40pm, #20Originally Posted by samurai_steve