Neck breaks ?
Ken Shamrock ?
What, no ninja stars ?
Originally Posted by Phrost
This just in !!
The hand formed into a fist, is used in punching !!
No they don't but the USMCMA program is set up to work toward a few objectives not just as a way to train a fighting asset.
Originally Posted by Lucky Seven
It is an excellent tool to develop individual fighting spirit, it helps with overall conditioning, espirit de corps....
Besides, don't you remember your Full Metal Jacket sound bites "It's a hard heart that kills" whether it is with a radio air strike, artillery, rifle, pistol (which isn't regular issue for everyone), knife (which may not be regulation or even allowed depending on the mission/mos - I know as an MP we couldn't carry the big nasties, but as an infantrymen we weren't even issued bayonets all the time either), or empty hand/rock....it is instilling the will/intent to use that force to accomplish the mission.
Doesn't this quote from Shamrock also debunk the "no rules" BS of the early UFC advertising as well?
Originally Posted by BatRonin
I still think bullshido should have a name list to honor fighters who do stuff like this.
I think Ken is refering to the "mindset" as opposed to the actual techniques.
Originally Posted by loki09789
Going into a sport match with the goal of winning is very different than going behind enemy lines with the goal of killing.
Even if you use the same techniques.
Intent is everything.
BatRonin and Loki both nailed it. It's about the "warrior mindset", which is the same thing that the new Army Combatives thing is going for... It's not about using leg kicks and spider guard on a Whacky Iraqi, it's about the will to fight, and getting over the feeling of the occasional adrenaline dump, and being able to think under pressure.
We don't run the obstacle or confidence courses every day, despite the fact that we MAY have to run through tires, climb a net, and walk across a wet log to get to the nearest computer operated missile delivery system... But it's the team building and, really, FUN, that is the focus of those exercises.
I think it's funny that Ken thinks he's one of the first instructors, though... Maybe one of the first big name ones, but my BJJ coach has done classes up there as well as for NSA and FBI for years, and USMCMACAPQLMONP is supposed to be older than the new Ary Combatives, and we've already got plenty of instructors for that.
With all due respect to Mr. Shamrock and his many accomplishments.....as well as the value of his instruction...I sincerely doubt that combat Marines need his input to be 'dangerous' or to secure a proper 'mindset' in the field!!!
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Doesn't knife fighting count as hand to hand combat? I think MAs would be useful in that case.
Originally Posted by Lucky Seven
I'm just glad that the marines are learning MMAs rather than goddamn TKD.
Irony of ironies, I've read several articles about the General who started the overhall of the old Marine LINES hand to hand program that eventually lead to the new MCMAP.
He was inspired by the ROK Marines' Taekwondo training program during his time in Korea, and you don't **** with ROK Marines.
My little sister's ex-boyfriend is a MCMAP instructor. Real hard dude. Nice guy, real gentleman, would even go grocery shopping for my mom and help her around the house. My sister has dated some real losers in her time, and she finally brought home a guy I approved of...
So what does she do?
Dump him and start dating some dude in a band...
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