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  1. Apostol is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawdog
    Thanks for the video, definitely cool, but you'll notice he wasn't doing any traditional weight lifting. I've done every exercise he did on the video, except for the sand bag (although we did similiar stuff with medicine balls) and all of that is recognized as beneficial conditioning for boxers. Plyometric type stuff is awesome.
    He does do traditional weights though, just not in that video.

    I can't say I agree with "high reps" for endurance. When I'm hitting a heavy bag, my arms don't get tired, my respiratory system and lungs do. Weight strength can carry over to the heavy bag, but it takes time to integrate it. You need to transfer that power from your legs, through your hips, then through your core, then shoulders, triceps, etc. But I'm sure you already know about that. It just takes practice to put that strength to use.

    I have noticed a decrease in speed on the speed bag, actually. But, if I keep doing it, my speed improves back to where it was. It's all a matter of keep doing what you're doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostol
    He does do traditional weights though, just not in that video.
    And many boxers do, but they are still the exception to the norm, and typically they will do high rep, not power training. However, I'm sure there are some who benefit from power training as well. I know that some fighters who lift do so to improve their strength in the clinch and up against the ropes. Everybody's different, but generally boxers avoid traditional weight training for good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostol
    You need to transfer that power from your legs, through your hips, then through your core, then shoulders, triceps, etc. But I'm sure you already know about that. It just takes practice to put that strength to use.
    Actually I disagree with your description of how punching power is generated. It's not generated in the legs, it's generated in the hips and core, the legs merely support the force, just like your arms, they don't generate it.

    You'll probably disagree with that, and that's fine, but I don't feel like arguing about it. I think it's been argued to death around here.

    I do agree with your point about practicing though while lifting. I disagree that lifting TYPICALLY results in an increase in punching power, although I know that for some it does, however I do agree with you that if you're going to lift you must do lots of bag and pad work, as well as spar simultaneously, otherwise you're really going to be fucked. If you were to take 6 months off to lift hard then try to go back to boxing, you'd feel like you were learning to punch all over again.
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    From my own views:

    I went up a weight class when I was boxing and added more weight. Adding weight sometimes needs you to make adjustments in your fighting style. I started off as a "dancer", the kind of guy who jabs and darts around, looking to wear down his opponent then go in for the kill. Gaining weight though, I saw more power but my hand speed dropped a little bit. Not too much, but enough that I wasn't as decent doing the dance routine as I was before. That's when I became more of an infighter, which I found I like a lot more anyways. So yeah, it benefited me, but it's something to think long and hard about.

    Also, the more weight you gain, the guys you'll be fighting will be just as heavy and can hit a lot harder. The old boxer's adage: "A light-heavyweight's punches hit like a heavyweight's jabs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu
    From my own views:

    I went up a weight class when I was boxing and added more weight. Adding weight sometimes needs you to make adjustments in your fighting style. I started off as a "dancer", the kind of guy who jabs and darts around, looking to wear down his opponent then go in for the kill. Gaining weight though, I saw more power but my hand speed dropped a little bit. Not too much, but enough that I wasn't as decent doing the dance routine as I was before. That's when I became more of an infighter, which I found I like a lot more anyways. So yeah, it benefited me, but it's something to think long and hard about.

    Also, the more weight you gain, the guys you'll be fighting will be just as heavy and can hit a lot harder. The old boxer's adage: "A light-heavyweight's punches hit like a heavyweight's jabs."
    Makes sense to me, and I do believe inside fighters benefit much more from weight training than a long range fighter. Thanks for bringin that up. :icon_thum
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawdog
    Depending on the doctor? I don't get that. I know what you're saying, b/c that's happend to me as well, but it really pisses me off that a doctor can't get an accurate height. It's not hard to get an exact height. I know they sometimes allow 1/2 inch because they don't want to take the time to get a proper measurement, and I know that sometimes they screw it up simply b/c they don't give a ****.
    Your height changes throughout the day. You're tallest when you first wake up, then your spine compresses and you lose a half inch or so throughout the day. Might explain why you've been measured at slightly different heights before.
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    Get hold of some Ensure. It's LOVERLY (only the vanilla flavour, but). Will help you gain weight FAST.

    As for the height, I actually vary by as much as about 2.5in myself, depending, but then I have a medical condition. You CAN get your legs broken at the physes, pulled apart, have a steel rod inserted and then the bone regrows, but do you WANT to? It could be you are still growing.

    You mentioned you have OCD? A good visit to a specialist should sort you out. My twin brother had it and they fixed him up with meds and counselling.
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    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

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    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
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  8. Ender is offline
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    If you want to gain, you have to COMMIT to gaining...no backing off the minute your abs aren't tearing their way out of your skin. To that effect, read all 5 of these articles by Dr. John Berardi, who has made a science out of gaining lean muscle mass. Your diet needs to be cleaned up, and majorly increased, even if you don't feel like eating. Ditch the fried chicken, fried beef, rice, etc. and add lean meats, fish like tuna and salmon, and low-GI carbs such as brown rice, whole wheat bread, and sweet potatoes. Your fats should be unsaturated and come from unprocessed sources like nuts and olive oils. Gaining LEAN muscle is a difficult proposition, and you can't half-ass it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirc
    It's funny, my friend is a self made "millionaire" from having a gym that is basically nothing but him being your lifting partner.

    But anyway, I'm 19.

    I can't stuff myself with 5 meals a day unless they're small. I mean like, a cup or two of rice and BBQ'd bratwurst or something to that effect fills me up plenty fast.

    My current diet:

    morning: Eggs + Toast + Protein shake
    mid-morning: Some fried chicken + rice + chopped green onions w/ teriyaki sauce + water/gatorade/soda
    Lunch: Fried beef + above rice combo + shake/water
    mid-afternoon: Same as mid morning.
    Dinner: Big fucking bowl of rice with all of the above.

    I try to keep it as close to that as possible. But usually that's what I eat.
    "It does not matter who the master is. It does not matter what the face looks like. The masters are of the Qimen school of qigong/meditation which is related to Zen. The master wears white robes, and the predecessor master wears bright gold robes. The qimen school travels the univers and is not restricted to what paradise they live in. It has many masters" -Serious Harm
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