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  1. lawdog is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll
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    Stone, I'm going to be a complete bastard here and sugest a diet. Most people who are 330 pounds are fat and without lugging that extra weight everywhere you'll find that you can keep going for much longer.
    I'm going to second that, especially in light of your knees. You should get very motivated to lose a considerable amount of weight, for the sake of your knees. I don't care if you're 330lbs. at 5% body fat. If your knees are fucked, it's too much weight to be carrying. I know it won't be easy, but your knees will thank you fo it.

    Because of your knees, I'd say swimming is the best option by far. Hopefully you'll find an affordable pool, or open water, or soon be able to afford to join a gym with a pool.

    Good luck!
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    If you can't get to a pool, try bicycling.
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    Posted On:
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    Jekyll, you're no bastard. You're honest.

    Truth be told, when i started in december of 2003, i weighed more then 380.

    The simple lack of 70 pounds of flab and the addition of 20 pounds of muscle have done wonders for my endurance, but not for my cardio endurance.

    My diet isnt a problem, it was my activity level, That and I have a big frame (meaning lots of places to hang body fat).

    I am working hard to make my knees stronger, but my Sa bum nim and my doctor both recomend that I don't go running.

    Im hopeing to be about 280 lbs by the end of 2006 and about 250 by the end of 2007. This counts the muscle mass I am tyring to build for strength and vanity.

    I hope this helps
    Last edited by sempi_stone; 9/13/2005 11:28am at .
  4. liokault is offline

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    9/13/2005 12:08pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by sempi_stone
    Jekyll, you're no bastard. You're honest.
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  5. sidran is offline

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    I'm sorry if I'm beating a dead horse since there's a bunch of trainers and the like here, but this is something I felt was important though I did not see it mentioned.

    Based on personal experience, I think diet and activity level both go hand in hand. It sounds like you are eating a balanced diet (and hopefully with whole grains and organic fruits and veggies and such), so I won't really say much about that, but I think the amount you eat is just as important. I have never really had a weight problem, even when my diet was very unbalanced (which really has been the case most of my life, lots of carbs, fast food, bacon (yum!!), that kind of deal). The reason I never was overweight I believe is mostly because of the fact that when I eat, I don't consume a huge amount of food all at once. I (now) try to focus on still getting a very good variety from all the different food categories, but I never ate more than I felt I needed. I very rarely ever ate to the point that I found myself forcing the food down just because I want my plate empty, and many times, I would forgoe dessert if I felt satisfied after my main meal. I try to never eat to the point that I feel nauseous. I do only eat when I'm hungry (It usually really comes out to the equivalent of 3 meals, spread out in around 4 or 5 actual sessions when I eat). My "snacks" are really just parts of my meals. Of course, you should also never leave a meal feeling hungry, either, only when you feel satisfied, no more, no less.

    So in general, I think you should tailor the overall amount of food you eat (of course still making sure it's varied enough) to the amount of energy you tend to use throughout the day. If it's just sitting around the house without a lot of physical or even mental stress, you would eat less than if you spent the day training, house and yard work, running errands, and going out to a ball game. Pretty much, excess body fat is just a result of consuming calories that end up being during the day.

    Also, though I don't really hold myself to this rule very stricktly, but I have heard that it is a better idea to have your biggest meals at breakfast and lunch, instead of dinner which seems to be kind of custom to (at least) people here in America. The logic behind this is that energy you get from breakfast and lunch are pretty much what's used throughout the day, and pretty close after the time you eat dinner, you go to bed, which leads all that to be stored in your body's fat cells.

    Well, that's my feelings, and I think it's something worth considering.
    Last edited by sidran; 9/13/2005 12:34pm at .
  6. Cullion is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by sempi_stone
    My diet isnt a problem, it was my activity level, That and I have a big frame (meaning lots of places to hang body fat).
    Are you sure it's a question of doing more exercise rather than changing your diet ? If you are scientific and scrupilously honest with yourself when calorie counting what you eat in a normal day, it can be surprising just how many calories you eat.

    It is also generally easy to lose 500 calories a day by changing what you eat, than it is to lose it with exercise.

    I speak as somebody in simillar shape to yourself (250 lbs, gassed out after 3 minutes sparring or wrestling) who has been picking stuff up from this physical health & fitness forum for a while.
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  7. Thaiboxerken is offline
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    Posted On:
    9/13/2005 12:38pm

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    Go train Muay Thai. Or, take viagra.
    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire.
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    9/13/2005 12:48pm


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    Spar (15 minutes per match), Plyometrics, and Shadow Boxing.
  9. liokault is offline

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    I think that the hill sprints are a good idea. Its what I do for stamina.

    As your running up hill, the impact on your knee is much less than normal running (depending how steep the hill is).

    The real bottom line with stamina trainning is that your body adapts to it quite fast, so if you are just hill sprinting (or just cycvling, burpees etc etc) after a while, your not getting more stamina, your just getting better at running up hills.
    As such you should be doing, whatever it is that you want to get more stamina for, for longer
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    Posted On:
    9/13/2005 6:59pm


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    Im very very sure my diet is ok because

    1) i keep track of what i eat, and most of the time i come in at around 3000 kilo calories a day, and i burn about 3100

    both of those are averages which is why i have slow weight loss, but i will take what i can get

    2) every year i need to add new holes to my belt, the damn think hangs down to my knees now.

    so when i look at the book and the belt, the diet is ok, i can look at the shirts i ware too and they are getting less and less snug. My doctor says my colesteral is low and my arterys are not hard so i dont fear my diet.

    By the way, how did we get on the diet tangent when i just wanted to know some tips for increasing sparing endurance?

    Thanks, by the way for all the great help..... if only i can find a heavy bag.....
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