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    Look, we can argue whatever a 13 year old black belt odes based on what some BS Korean FOB Grandmasta does is effective or not...I don't give a flying fark...My art is TKD, and I've got 9 years experience working door...and all I've ever used is TKD..and it's worked for me///I've worked Korean clubs, Latin clubs, and Irish bars, and TKD has worked for me, Won hyung are the shiznit, and **** anyone who says otherwise...

    And forgive anything I'VE said tyhat don 't make sense, I've drank more than most of y'all could breath...
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    Wow. And here I was thinking this would be another story of someone pulling a horse stance in the cage.
    Rad ki was made up by adolescents. I do not know who created trad ki but it was not made by adolescents. your an ass dude, Im not being a little bitch you are, your past the level of a bitch. Your beyond Bitch! If im easting my time with ki and psi, then your wasting time to prove frauds, and all **** like that! -theoutsider

    Kick boxing is ok, but don't expect do beat a man like Rickson Gracie with that. You need a real martial art. You need Xing Yi Quan. -Emptyflower

    The splits, how ever, have a few martial uses. Doing the splits for me, can put my fists in testical strike range.

    dont ignore the Art for the Martial or else your just kick boxing

    Yes i am serious, there are kicks that can block punches. we have them in Moo duk kwan.
    I want to learn how to use them in case my arm gets broken in a fight.
    what would you have me do? if my arm gets broke, not block punches? -sempi-stone
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    Posted On:
    9/15/2005 12:35pm


     Style: BJJ/ Judo/ MT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Thats a leg pick? How does it work?
    That's my point, it does not.

    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    Look, we can argue whatever a 13 year old black belt odes based on what some BS Korean FOB Grandmasta does is effective or not...I don't give a flying fark...My art is TKD, and I've got 9 years experience working door...and all I've ever used is TKD..and it's worked for me///I've worked Korean clubs, Latin clubs, and Irish bars, and TKD has worked for me, Won hyung are the shiznit, and **** anyone who says otherwise...
    Your shure your techniques cames from pomse and not sparring? Maby your a big person (size matters)?
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    First off, my techniques didn't come from poomse. Poomse are bullshit WTF forms. The Taegeuk forms were created in a week. A WEEK!!! What kind of technical depth can they be expected to have?

    Do my techniques come from the forms I learned? Yes. The hyung make up the technical syllabus of the art. A hyung is not meant to be a collection of combinations. If that is your approach to a form, then yes, it will not work in a sparring match, and definitely not a real fight. You will end up with only a shallow understanding of what you are doing. A hyung is more like a matrix of ideas. You have to grasp the idea before you can do anything with it.

    Through the forms I learned the gross body motions that the various techniques require. Through two-man drills and flow drills my body learned to adapt those same techniques to recieve another body. Through sparring, I then learned to apply the various holds, locks, throws, and strikes of the hyung in real time against a resisting opponent. Are they picture perfect technique? No...of course not...but I've learned how to adapt said technique to reality...

    Did it make me a combat god? Nope. I've won my share of fights, and I've lost my share of fights.

    And I'm not a big person at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    Look, we can argue whatever a 13 year old black belt odes based on what some BS Korean FOB Grandmasta does is effective or not...I don't give a flying fark...My art is TKD, and I've got 9 years experience working door...and all I've ever used is TKD..and it's worked for me///I've worked Korean clubs, Latin clubs, and Irish bars, and TKD has worked for me, Won hyung are the shiznit, and **** anyone who says otherwise...

    And forgive anything I'VE said tyhat don 't make sense, I've drank more than most of y'all could breath...
    WOW, bragging about how much you can drink and beating people up at bars, you are a class act. Because we all know that escorting drunken revelers from the premises is the perfect test of the prowess of a fighting art. Why are you concerned about what we think of your precious TKD? What exactly are you trying to prove? Getting all defensive doesn’t exactly exude confidence in the effectiveness of your art or your abilities. You really should enter a real competition if you want to test and validate your training methods. Or at the very least go to a throwdown.

    Whatever you do, stop yapping like this or you’ll get called out for GONG SAU and get your **** ruined.
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    Posted On:
    9/17/2005 1:48am

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    Bu Shi Dist,

    OK bro, while I admit that typing while drunk is probably not a good idea, and if that's what got you, then I apologize. However, you missed a couple points.

    1) At no point did I talk about beating people up..infer what you will...

    2) I don't care what a BJJ, _ing _huner, JKD, or who ever thinks about TKD. I got no problem with them. This thread was about TKD forms, and that was what I was talking about. As a TKD practitioner, my issue is with TKD people only.

    2) Yeah, I'll agree with Osiris, working door can be the very best test for your skills. One on one matches are great. I have friends who do JKD, BJJ, Kyokushin, etc...and I'll spar against them and win and lose. I have no ego when it comes to this.

    A bar fight is something else entirely. Beer bottles being thrown at your head, pool cues swinging, multiple opponents, it is extremely different from any match format...and I also have no ego when it comes to this. Anyone can get sucker punched or stabbed in the back, it don't matter if you do BJJ or TKD. Granted, that's not the average night...that's not even once and a great while...but it is a world of difference from throwing down with someone who, while they may be extremely aggresive in trying to defeat you, is not actually trying to kill you.

    3) I'm planning on going to a throwdown this weekend....I'm sure I'll learn a lot, but I don't think it will be the eye-opener it was for you. I read your thread. I'm glad you got out of tag karate and into BJJ. I got all the respect in the world for that...because I've already rolled with BJJ people, and JKD people, and MT people...I know there are strengths and weaknesses for every style...no one can be unstoppable...the important thing for me isn't winning, or beating up people...it's making sure that I and my staff get home safe at the end of the night.

    So, here, let me sum up my argument for you.

    1) I've worked door for 9 years.
    2) TKD is my chosen art.
    3) TKD, when trained properly, was an effective means of bodily defense that has gotten me through the nights so far...

    Did I say I was the ****? No. Did I say I am unbeatable? No. You know what? You may be able to kick my ass. That's fine. Don't really care...and I'd probably learn something from it...

    Osiris,
    Agreed. You work door?
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