Thread: Philipine arts vs grapplers?
10/15/2003 12:30pm, #1
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I don't want to turn this into a striking vs grappling thread.
That being said, I trained in Silat for a few months earlier this year. I am looking into buying some videos and studying it on my own (no schools nearby). I really like a lot about Silat, but I am concerned about how it and other Philipine arts handle grapplers. What happens if someone tries to clinch, tie you up, or shoot in? From what I have seen of Silat, it bases a lot of its techniques on attacking the attacker, for lack of a better term. By this, I mean that you drive in close to the attacker while you block and then do all sorts of nasty stuff to him. The problem, though, is what happens if you drive in while the guy is shooting or trying to tie you up? If you hesitate to see whether he is striking or shooting, won't that make your reaction too slow? Regardless, I do suspect that there are some Silat principles that you can apply even when clinching.
10/15/2003 1:19pm, #2
See the "silat anti grappling" thread I made.
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10/15/2003 7:18pm, #3
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Silat IS a grappling art. Silat anti grappling is the blade.
As for the FMA's, oh, they have the grappling, again, a live blade does wonders for keeping the other grapplers on their toes.
10/15/2003 7:54pm, #4
I don't understand these "anti-grappling" techniques, once your in the clinch or on the ground any decent grappler will have the advantage if you can't play their game. So therefore "anti-grappling" = grappling its as simple as that."Pussyhole"
10/15/2003 8:13pm, #5
the word "anti-grappling" is simply a category of technique which helps you defend and escape from a situation where you would have to grapple so that you can strike more. I'm not saying it works, but please don't pretend like you have no idea what anti-grappling means.
10/15/2003 8:33pm, #6
What brand said.
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10/15/2003 9:32pm, #7
Ok agreed that there are methods for prolonging the striking game, but as you said Brand they may not neccesarily work. I worded it badly, what I should have said was your deluding yourself if you think that all you need is some anti-grappling techniques to assure yourself that you won't have to grapple and that I think there is very little room for those type of techniques as more than likely in most situations when some one is trying hard enough to take it to the ground its going to go there, so you should be prepared."Pussyhole"
10/15/2003 9:46pm, #8
I think what is irritating about the term is that it implies that these are techniques beyond the knowledge of grapplers and hidden deep inside the magic trick bags of TMA strikers.
When in fact they usually amount to a bare handful of techniques borrowed from grappling systems.
I should start talking about "anti-striking".Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
10/15/2003 9:59pm, #9
10/15/2003 10:06pm, #10
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Filipino arts HAVE grappling. The ANTI-grappling is using a blade/stick on some wrestler/BJJ/JJ/judo type. If you don't think a live blade is anti-grappling at it's best you have lost all hope.