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  1. PO9 is offline

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    But flushing would entail more fluids entering the injured area, which you don't want , correct?
    Who, for Pete’s sake! Is opposing science? In fact, we want MORE science by CRITICALLY ANALIZING the evidence-Connie Morris, Kansas State BOE (bolding and underlining part of original quote, red is my emphasis)


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    Quote Originally Posted by PO9
    But flushing would entail more fluids entering the injured area, which you don't want , correct?
    Oh, I see what you're saying. Sorry about that.

    No, actually I think you do want BLOOD flushing the area. Swelling is bad, but increased blood flow is good. It promotes healing, so I'm told.
  3. PO9 is offline

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    How do you increase blood flow without increasing swelling?
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  4. lawdog is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by PO9
    How do you increase blood flow without increasing swelling?
    I can't answer that from a physiological perspective, but blood flow and swelling are 2 very different things.

    I assume that swelling takes longer to occur than the blood flush. The blood begins to flush through within minutes of removing the ice. I'm assuming that swelling takes closer to 20 minutes, thus 20 on 20 off.

    In my experience, swelling is usually not an immediate occurence. Sometimes, it's hours after an injury.

    It's also possible, I'm not sure though, that the flush of fluid (swelling) is also beneficial to the injury. I'm not as sure though about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki09789

    When, how often and how long did your track coaches/trainers advice you apply the cold treatments?
    Sore knees were generally for 15-20 mins in an agitated ice-water bath, depending on the person. Some people had very poor circulation and couldn't do it as long because they would chill their skin too much and be at risk for hypothermia.

    Shin splints was closer to 10-15 minutes, and was paired off with rehabilitative stretches for the hamstrings, calves and ankles. But that's another topic entirely.
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    After a really hard session of squats or deadlifts i fill my bath with cold water and i have 10 2 litre bottles of water frozen in the freezer which i throw in.

    Instant ice bath and when i am done i just put the bottles back in the freezer.

    I find it makes a huge difference to my recovery and would recommend it
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    This article implies that icing may not be all that good for you, healing-wise. Inflammation may be one of the bodies ways of healing, and might not need to be combatted. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...w-healing.html
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