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  1. Fantasy Warrior is offline
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    Kata Bumkai 101: The anti-crapple

    Look at the pic and read the commentry that the Go Kan Ryu karate instructor has added. It's a good example of what can happen when people trying to make up bunkai to justify their kata also happen to be unworldly.
    http://www.gkrkarate.org/pages/Kata/essays/saifal.html


    Now it may be that the Go Kan Ryu instructor is underqualified, or it may be that kata bunkai is inherently unrealistic, or both.

    I know I'm preaching to the chior when I suggest that an alive training environment would soon put a stop to such rediculous training, but I guess that's not how karate makes its money.

    So what other examples of people making up and believing plainly unrealistic or inplausible bunkai can you find and what can we learn from their stupidity?
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    Now it may be that the Go Kan Ryu instructor is underqualified, or it may be that kata bunkai is inherently unrealistic, or both.
    Correct.
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    In the Korean styles that I have studied (TKD, Tang Soo Do, Han Mu Do), bunkai was barely touched on, aside from the intent of the more obvious techniques. The discovery of the hidden meaning behind the more subtle gestures of the Hyungs was non-existant. I think they understood kata and its bunkai to be pointless in a realistic setting but they tought the kata anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher

    So what other examples of people making up and believing plainly unrealistic or inplausible bunkai can you find and what can we learn from their stupidity?
    Shouldn't this be in YMAS?
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    There isnt any mention of you calling bullshit on any style or association within the martial arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    So what other examples of people making up and believing plainly unrealistic or inplausible bunkai can you find and what can we learn from their stupidity?
    The first thing that comes to mind is the speed-hitting techniques from Manabi Masho jujitsu.
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=manabi+masho
    They rationalize their being able to hit someone 11 times a second with slow-motion bunkai that looks impressive when the attacker just stands there. Supposedly each attack is striking vital points, as they will gladly tell you. You are correct, alive training (which they don't do, too d34dly) would put an end to their misguided belief, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    yadda yadda yadda GKR karate
    You do know the reputation GKR karate have don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abusivemelon
    There isnt any mention of you calling bullshit on any style or association within the martial arts.
    Thanks for the helpful pointers. I'm calling bullshit on the quest for secret techniques in kata, and the inevitable spreading of bullshidoism that goes with people sharing their silly bunkai with the internet. Worst of all is when it's instructors, as in the example I posted, sharing the bullshit.

    As for Go Kan Ryu, no sorry, never heard of it.
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    As for Go Kan Ryu, no sorry, never heard of it.
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...light=knocking
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...ad.php?t=17917
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    Here's a hint to tell good bunkai from bad bunkai.

    Good bunkai is pretty much striking, judo throws, or jujutsu locks that can likely be trained alive if the krotty student understood such things.

    Bad bunkai is...well...yeah, you'll know it when you see it.
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