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  1. Kokujin is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by theraydiator
    no to split hairs, but doesn't it seem like it would be just as easy to hustle your students and propogate BS etc. back in the day (lets say pre 20th century)?

    With no internet (and communications in general severely limited), knowledge wasn't as democratized as it is now. You couldn't consult with experts and you couldn't verify someone's expertise as easily.

    Without Bullshido.net I may have never gotten the reality check i needed - i think that the less information available to the student, the more easily they can be taken advantage of.


    That being said - if you can see with your own eyes that your master is getting his ass handed to him by a challenger, well.... then it should be obvious.


    So, anyone know how common were challenge matches back in the day?

    Maybe you're right...bullshido is a ageless trend in martial arts and in pretty much everything. So I guess it was plausable to pull a fast one on a bunch of unsuspecting students. But I have this feeling that could only go on so far before someone pull out your number. Specially if you spend a lot of time bragging about your fighting skills and deadly technique. Even if you went to teach in some god forgotten town with no instructor, sooner or later you would have to put your money where your mouth was. It could happen in the form of another martial artist, a bandid or a thug, even a wealthy patron who could simply set you up against anyone he choosed(he pays your ass). At least thats the image and the stories in which several chinese systems base their effectiveness. Stories about the old days where master x was challenged by master x and mayhem followed.

    About the challenge matches...well, I've read some stories in several sites and if you search about the most famous chinese styles, yoyu're bound to find some story about challenge matches. Many of them happened because of the reasons I wrote above(thugs, rivals, etc), some were really styled, with the rival walking inside the school with a couple of his good old boys and crossing his hands, screaming gong sau or simply putting down the rival style, thus trying to have a "test of skills"...some supposedlly happened while everyone was trashed or hot headed and the list goes on and on. You pick the style and there's a ton of stories like that! It's just one of the things that give CMA that special flavour. Well, to me at least. :glasses2:
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    8/19/2005 12:20am


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    I Admit that back in my younger days, when I used to watch syndicated "Kung-Fu:The Legend Continues" I thought chi could really be used to win a fight and also that there was such thing as a Vulcan Death Touch, but when I tried to do that stuff my self, I thought that couldn't be real and it was all pretty silly.
    I am sure that everyone on Bullshido.net who joined Kung-Fu or Karate joined so they could do all the amazing things the action stars could do. Isn't it odd that in almost every action movie, nobody wins a fight if they don't know a traditional martial art. Movies like "Romeo Must Die", "Exit Wounds". What those guys do there in that Yi Chuan school is crap on another level though, stuff that would even make Kaine from the "Kung-Fu" series proud. That guy is really cause someone to cath a seroius ass-whopping. :bsflag:
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    I joined Kung Fu to get tough because they did a lot of conditioning at the particular school I saw. I admit originally I thought that the Sifus would teach us more high flying techniques and flashy "vital point" strikes. Luckily my teachers did no such thing and endorsed push ups and punches. Now I know I got lucky I didn't walk into this Yi Chuan school. I probably wouldn't be on Bullshido if I did.
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    In defense of CMA and internal training:

    I've been doing Yiliquan since 1985. I've fought only in point sparring and forms tournaments (when I first started there just weren't any available harder contact tournaments in our area). I'd fight in a "real" match now if it weren't for a lower back injury and my wife's threats of divorce (she wouldn't, really, and she has faith that I'd do well - if not winning, at least holding my own - but she really doesn't want me to fight, so I don't).

    In the point fighting I've done, our school has historically done very, very well compared to other CMAs. During the first few years of the AAU CMA division's national tournaments, our school came away with more wins than any other.

    We have (not on video) reports of several members of our school, junior and senior alike, employing our training in real world self defense situations. It wasn't always pretty, and it wasn't always best case scenarios, but they managed to defend themselves and get away unscathed. We aren't "th3 d3adly," but what we do seems to work just fine.

    I've also been doing qigong off and on since I first started training, and I can say that while I'm not too sure what is going on, there is a big difference between training results when doing qigong as opposed to not doing qigong. I could figure out a whole truckload of theories as to why, but I just don't care enough to over-analyze it. I don't teach our students that it is some Jedi trick, just that if you do A, you get B (in this case A = qigong, B = faster results and better awareness of what you are doing).

    That having been said, the regrettable instance is that there are so very many people who want so badly to believe in something "special" or "extraordinary" that they buy into this kind of hype hook, line, sinker and half the pole! There are people I know of whose teacher lays claim to having developed his physical skill to a point where it simply cannot develop any further; he has achieved perfection in his skill. I know this isn't true, because I remember training with him only a few short years before this claim was made, and he hit like a 12 year old Girl Scout... But his students believe in him 100%, no matter what hokey claims he makes.

    It's like weight loss and dieting... There are tons and tons of different diet plans to follow, with new ones being made up every day by some nutritionist with a "new" idea or a marketable gimmick. But the bottom line is burn more calories than you eat... In the case of martial arts, there are tons and tons of different schools and styles to choose from, with new ones springing to life daily by some wannabe "Mastah" who thinks he's come up with something that nobody in the last 5,000+ years ever thought of... But the bottom line is train aggressively, condition your body and mind, and make sure what you do really works before making claims of being "th3 d3adly."
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    Heh you know it's funny that a lot of Kyokushin guys train in Yichuan over here(Sawai Kenichi was one of Mas Oyama's mentors, after he got his ass handed to him by the old man) and have bonnified sparring matches, pressure testing, sparring etc...

    http://www.taikiken.org/ (English site of the Japanese version)

    And the same thing shows up in california with granolas, fruits, flakes and Chi spraying all rolled into one...

    Tho, I have to admit, even the real stuff looks like the gheyest **** ever..
    Arm waving hippies...lol
    Until u eat a punch by one of them :redface:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upyu
    Tho, I have to admit, even the real stuff looks like the gheyest **** ever..
    Arm waving hippies...lol
    Until u eat a punch by one of them :redface:
    We have a little thing we refer to as the "Capitol Hill Bitch Slap." Bullshido members from the Seattle area will understand what the name implies... Anyway, it looks like the biggest, limpest slap you can find - to the person on the receiving end, though, it feels much more like a small Toyota pickup slamming into you.

    Good stuff.
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    Bunyip, you did it again, great report!
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    More excellent work Bunyip, I look forwards to 'the tragic conclusion'.

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    8/19/2005 8:03am


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    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip
    "Ok. And do you talk about martial arts on the internet?"

    "Inter-what?"

    "Do you talk about kung fu with other people online?"
    He shouldnt be concerned about that if he's legit.



    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip
    "Ok. For classes just at the San Francisco location, it is $80 a month, three month minimum, paid up front."
    This seems rather odd? Why not just monthly.



    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip
    Up to that point, I had wondered whether Master Fung really believed what he was teaching, or whether he was just a con artist. This time when I asked, I saw the faintest glimmer of a smirk before he answered, and I knew that he knew that we both knew he was full of it.
    Yes of cource he did that's why he kept asking if you train anywhere else.


    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip
    In the end, I realized it was really a no-win situation. Given the two possible outcomes of me beating up a 60-year old or a 60-year old beating me up, I don't really come out ahead in either one. Plus, I kind of like Master Fung. Like most con men, he's extremely personable.
    You said earlier his movements seemed strong, so just because he's teaching bullshido doesnt mean that he himself is crap

    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip
    At any rate, while chatting with Michael on the way out, I discovered that he lived in Berkeley! Near me! I got his email address and biked back to the subway planning an intervention.
    send him a link to bullshido you may be able to save him.

    Great article btw,

    Thanks
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    As promised, our story's heartbreaking conclusion:

    Against all odds, I actually ran into Michael again on the subway ride home. I asked him how he liked Yi Chuan, and he said it was great.

    He said that he had about eight years of wing chun and escrima, so he was no newbie to martial arts. Then he demonstrated a Pak Sao (I think) for me, and I was appropriately impressed. I asked if his wing chun school did much sparring, and he said, "Of course." They did tons of 1-step sparring and 3-step sparring and "counter for counter" sparring. I asked if they ever just did free sparring and went at each other, but he said that was more confined to a few "backyard brawls" with his friends, which the wing chun "definitely helped" in.

    At this point I was rapidly becoming mystified. How could someone who's done even a little bit of contact sparring end up in this Yi Chuan class? Either way, I figured I'd invite him to the throwdown, but then the conversation took an even weirder turn.

    "You know," I said, "you might be interested in..."

    (interrupting) "No," said Michael.

    "Huh?"

    "Sifu is my teacher. I'm not interested in changing schools. I've traveled around the whole country looking for a great teacher, from the East Coast to Hawaii, and I've never met anyone who can teach like Sifu."

    "Well, that's not where I was going at all, but tell me, what did you find so appealing?"

    "I knew from the first class. I could see the energy. From the first class I could tell what a great teacher he was. None of the other people I've trained with remotely compare."

    It was at this moment that my hope died. "Sifu" had just spent half of a 90 minute class sitting in the corner with me, chatting and drinking tea. The rest of the time he spent either waving his hands as the class made futile attempts to imitate him, or demonstrating explosive chi by making grown men leap through the air. At no time did I witness anything resembling actual instruction. And this was "great teaching"? I'm still depressed. How can people be so gullible?

    I explained before we parted that the throwdown wasn't any sort of recruitment session, just a reality check on your training, but I knew it was a lost cause. I sent a followup email with a link to the throwdown planning thread, but that was the last I saw of Michael.
    "I'm offering straight punch, kick while downed to the ribs or head, and of course- the german suplex...which is one suplex quickly followed by another." - Guerilla Fists

    Matt Thornton explains "aliveness": http://www.bullshido.com/videos/sbg2.wmv

    West Wind Karate / West Wind Bok Fu / West Wind Kung Fu thread
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