Attacks from knees with pics!

**Lucky Seven** · Posted On: 10/09/2005 11:38am

how bad is it to start using painfull guard excapes on a guy who keeps pulling guard every single time ? If the ppl you roll with are constantly doing it introduce then to nerve cuting techniques :evil:

**JohnnyS** · Posted On: 10/09/2005 5:58pm

Painful guard passes are a waste of time - especially on someone who's used to grappling. You should be concentrating on not getting caught in closed guard in the first place, rather than trying to punish the guy because you didn't react quickly enough.

**ItOnlyHurtsOnce** · Posted On: 12/19/2005 11:33pm

Okay this may sound silly, but in the first technique doesn't this leave you vulnerable to a simple basterdized Nari-goshi, what we simply refer to as a bulldog, since both hands are on the knees with your head exposed and no control of opponents arms. Your pressure is forward which is what I would want, bring my left hand up inside your arm, lock around back of neck, right hand grasp inside of your left elbow or sleeve, rotate into kesagatame to pull you under. Yes I know for everything there is a counter... just looks like you are really leading with the head on the first technique from the distance in the photo. I don't have a partner here right now, suppose to be training tommorrow night, so will try to post pics.

**JohnnyS** · Posted On: 12/20/2005 4:27pm

My pressure should only be forward once I have my head against his neck. I have good base so he can't do a snap-down and my arms are tight against my body so he can't underhook or overhook my arms.

I know the counter you're referring to, but because of my base it shouldn't work, especially if I widen my knees. I should still be able to grab your elbow and knee and drive my head against your neck to put you on your back.

**OldDog53** · Posted On: 9/05/2006 1:43pm

Thanks for these basics on starting out from the knees. We get instruction on starting out standing, but so far I haven't had any on starting out from the knees. Without some help like this, the only other options are one of us going to guard immediately, and that isn't much fun. The followup comments on how this position can come up during practice (as opposed to being a set start position) also help.

Now all I have to do is to search and see if you ever got around to posting some pictures of escapes, I really need those!

**PoleFighter** · Posted On: 10/05/2006 4:32pm

I just wanted to tell JohnnyS that I've been using these techniques a lot since he posted them. Thanks!

**laserjet** · Posted On: 10/17/2006 12:15pm

Thanks for the attack from knee pics. I will try to use them tomorrow.
I am a newbie and our sensei only allows the newbies to spar from the knees.
This is because we are so completely clueless that the attrition rate of stand up sparing would result in unacceptable losses to his customer base.
I would appreciate additional pics if you have time, as I suspect that I will continue to be clueless for a while yet.

**Red512S** · Posted On: 6/15/2007 3:14pm

Rock on, thanks a lot for these. I was extremely curious about this, because it seems when rolling, so many of the guys know how to control me enough to get me on my back. This is nice because now I'm not just pulling guard or giving up guard every time. I'll apply them on Tuesday when I go back to class. Thanks again.

Dave