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    When you and your sensei are doing a tea ceremony and then you realize he is not your real sensei, but a clone, and you have to attack him.

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    Osiris once again reminds us his way/knowledge is superior to the combined experience of every other grappler on the planet...*rolls eyes*

    You'd think people would be a bit more grateful when an individual with knowledge takes the time to share...and the lemming dash into your opponents fists does not count.

    I may suck but 90% of the time I have trained...whether with a Judo club or BJJ guys or grapplers, they've started from the knees. This could also be useful in a scramble from the ground I suppose...but I'll leave the experienced people to debate that.

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    Many of the principles carry over to stand-up. Balance, positioning, etc. Wrestlers still shoot for double legs from the knees and they still get them. This shouldn't be a replacement for stand-up takedowns (heh...), but it's better than nothing.

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    Where I train we mainly do stuff from the knees to stop people getting thrown around into other people - we don't have loads of space and it means more people can practice at once. After this we generally do winner stays on, so the standing stuff gets practiced too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo Grande
    This could also be useful in a scramble from the ground I suppose...but I'll leave the experienced people to debate that.
    I've found on occasion that I do end up scrambling from the positions outlined by JohnnyS outside the context of starting from the knees(when I'll almost always pull guard), usually when disengaging from the guard to avoid an arm-drag or sweep attempt. I don't really use the techniques he does, but I've used similar techniques in the past, and discarded them for ones that I deem more effective at the moment.

    Gringo, I definitely disagree with you about the question of experience. Osiris may be a comparatively inexperienced BJJer, but why doesn't that grant him the right to question? Questioning is how we develop our games. Eventually, when we get answers that we don't like, it forms the impetus to individually investigate certain techniques. If you find success, you begin to form the foundation of your own individual style distinguishing yours from the generic game taught by your instructor.

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    Osiris,
    Say I escape side control and get to my knees. From there I can back off a little and then put the guy on his back with these techniques.
    Say I have the guy in my guard, I can put my foot in his hip, come back to my knees and do the above techniques to put my opponent on my back.
    Say my opponent and I end up in a scramble on the ground and get to our knees. We both want to be on top and start passing. These techniques show how to do that.

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    Why would you practice these technique in the first place? What competitive or combative scenario does this cover?
    attacking from the knees > pulling gaurd every single time

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyS
    Osiris,
    Say I escape side control and get to my knees. From there I can back off a little and then put the guy on his back with these techniques.
    Say I have the guy in my guard, I can put my foot in his hip, come back to my knees and do the above techniques to put my opponent on my back.
    Say my opponent and I end up in a scramble on the ground and get to our knees. We both want to be on top and start passing. These techniques show how to do that.

    that's good to know.

    i do think starting from the knees is kind of strange. it really doesn't come up that often in real grappling matches, from what i have seen. but it is a good way to begin ne waza.

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    Good stuff JohnnyS, please keep the techniques coming when you have the time.
    Shut the hell up and train.

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    What sort of stuff would you like to see?

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