We need to grow up

**plasmagoat** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 4:28am

Originally Posted by MrMcFu

Oh, you're still here.

Oh, so are you.

***JohnnyCache*** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 4:51am

blah blah blah hay guys I don't fight or know what I'm talking about but I think I will burble on and on about how people making jokes I don't get about things I don't do and people I don't know who would like to read that?

ALSO HAY CHECK DIGGITY I KNOW MUCH ABOUT DEBATING AND I WILL TYPE SO MUCH YOU CAN'T BEAT MY WORDS

**Locu5** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 5:31am

So wait... to recap. You are basically some kid with no real MA experience who thinks MA is about morals and beadditudes. Additionally, you are upset because some people are taunting you on a forum; this is a logical contradiction because they do martial arts. You have now taken all of this kiddie angst and created this whole persecution persona online to defend yourself against the hordes of Bullshido members waiting in the wings to correct you. You claim moral and intellectual superiority over your detractors and are winning the debate based on pure obstinance.

Does that about cover everything?

Have you considered actually taking a martial art and getting some mat time?

**pox** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 5:35am

Originally Posted by plasmagoat

Well, being civil seems to be one of them. It's impossible to be strictly civil in an environment such as this, but I'm sure doing my best. Let me tell you: I have never, ever encountered a person as rude, offensive, hostile and angry as JSF. Never. He's completely unique and without peer. I can only say that those who have to deal with him in real life have my deepest sympathies.

Plasmagoat,
you do realise that civility on a web forum is best viewed as a tool to facilitate communication rather than as a shield from robust debate?

***JohnnyCache*** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 5:35am

Not JUST obstinance. Obstinace and snobbery, dude.

Or did you mean plasmagoat?

**Locu5** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 5:37am

No, you are correct. There is a definite superiority attitude coming from there. But he is still a kid, and really that is to be expected. I knew everything back then too.

**pox** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 5:46am

Originally Posted by plasmagoat

I don't expect anyone to fawn all over me,

Yes you do.

And that's why you're still posting here. You're shocked that anyone would dare question you on your asinine opinions, and apalled that people would dare suggest that you try and provide any evidence that would make your ramblings seem even remotely plausible. What's even funnier is that your arrogance is blinding you to how much of an idiot you're making of yourself.

Please try to remember that debates aren't decided by word count.

**plasmagoat** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 5:57am

Originally Posted by locu5

So wait... to recap. You are basically some kid with no real MA experience who thinks MA is about morals and beadditudes.

See, this is what I mean. Even after all these pages, people still misinterpret me on purpose, or simply don't read what I say. Pathetic. I've explained this **** so many times already...

Additionally, you are upset because some people are taunting you on a forum; this is a logical contradiction because they do martial arts. You have now taken all of this kiddie angst and created this whole persecution persona online to defend yourself against the hordes of Bullshido members waiting in the wings to correct you. You claim moral and intellectual superiority over your detractors and are winning the debate based on pure obstinance.

I can easily claim moral and intellectual superiority.

Have you considered actually taking a martial art and getting some mat time?

Who says that I haven't taken a martial art, and what the **** does it have to do with anything anyway? Haven't I already explained in mind-numbing detail how it doesn't matter? Jesus fucking christ...

Originally Posted by pox

Plasmagoat,
you do realise that civility on a web forum is best viewed as a tool to facilitate communication rather than as a shield from robust debate?

I've never used it as a shield againts debate.

Originally Posted by locu5

No, you are correct. There is a definite superiority attitude coming from there. But he is still a kid, and really that is to be expected. I knew everything back then too.

Except that I've never claimed to know everything, you're just imagining that I have.

Originally Posted by pox

Yes you do.

Erm, no.

And that's why you're still posting here. You're shocked that anyone would dare question you on your asinine opinions, and apalled that people would dare suggest that you try and provide any evidence that would make your ramblings seem even remotely plausible. What's even funnier is that your arrogance is blinding you to how much of an idiot you're making of yourself.

Please try to remember that debates aren't decided by word count.

1) I've tried to explain many, many, many, many times that I don't consider my opinion to be factual, nor have I tried to enforce my opinion on anyone.
2) There is no fucking evidence to provide. This is not about evidence or about objective reality. You cannot demand "evidence" for purely personal preferences that cannot be proven correct or incorrect
3) My "arrogance" is just a result of the behavior of certain members here. If you keep giving me reasons to look down on you and consider you inferior, then that's what will happen.

**Locu5** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 6:10am

Thank you for replying. Perhaps the deficiency in my understanding of your point comes from reading comprehension issues; it is also possible that your point is so ephemeral that it defies actual description. My understanding of your point is:

"MA is about politeness in my opinion. People here are not being polite and this means they are not being good martial artists. Everyone here is being rude to me, no matter the fact that I am more moral and smarter."

Is that a fair assessment?

By what right do you claim moral and intellectual superiority? Please delineate the actions, achievements, and words that demonstrate this. Or is this also simply your opinion?

Your style field says you do not do MA; you said yourself your MA experience is not worth mentioning, ergo it may as well not exist. It matters because you are trying to state your opinion on what a martial artist should be, from the outside. This is as tenuous a position as me trying to tell professional wrestlers that they should not act silly so much because it demeans the sport.

Have you considered actually taking a good martial art and experiencing what MA is really about?

I understand that you want to defend yourself against these horrid attackers of your point of view. While that is commendable, you seem to lack the tools to do this in either a martial or spoken context. That is OK, part of growing up is learning from people who know more than you do, as a significant number of posters here do in both the martial context and in others.

What would you like to learn about?

**Cullion** · Posted On: 10/28/2005 6:21am

I have plasmagoat on my ignore list, but I clicked 'viewpost' to see what Locu was replying to.

He's still whining about the same ****. Christ.

Plasmagoat, get over yourself. Nobody gives a **** whether you respect us or not. I hope your reply to Locu is a 'thank you' for him taking the time to politely explain to you why you are considered an ass.

Keep this up and I'm pretty sure the mods will gift you with some kind of special avatar title.