8/08/2005 3:25pm, #41
Counter some of them then. Explain how arm punching is better then real punching, or how planting your feet is better then moving them. I, personally, would be happy to see wing chun redeemed. Show some quality WC. It HURTS ME TO THINK that all WC is as bad as the WC I have seen thus far.
8/08/2005 3:30pm, #42Originally Posted by ronen_y
It's not the art that sucks, it's the un-realistic training. Since you probably can't and/or won't spar someone, go do a few "techniques" against a heavy bag while trying not to stand flat-footed. If you can't breathe easily and your hands start hurting fairly quickly, how are you going to handle hitting actual bone and how are you going to one-hit-kill a mobile opponent?
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8/08/2005 3:32pm, #43Originally Posted by ronen_y
8/08/2005 3:43pm, #44Originally Posted by omega
8/08/2005 3:44pm, #45Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
Wing Chun's defense isn't geared against techniques from other arts
Wing Chun attracts nutbar sinophiles.
Wing Chun has an excess of dumb politics and revisionist history.
Wing Chun proponents continually extend "Sport Vs Street" gap that doesn't make sense
Wing Chun produces almost no competitive fighters
I have never met a WCer in person who could fight.
I have never seen video of a WCer fighting well.
8/08/2005 3:46pm, #46
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8/08/2005 3:51pm, #47
I simply find that WC footwork is very linear. It looks like it's happening on a fencing salle, and it's not generally synched to the handwork, which is probably IMO the MOST important factor in hard striking.
The WC I've seen also doesn't zone well up and down the body.
I'm saying WC defense work DOESN'T cover gaps well - look at the thread on the forum now called "Wing Chun Videos" - tell me those guys are covering well.
Wing chun seems to rely on a blitz offense, the blitz offense in question doesn't seem to take into account anyone who doesn't move like a wing chunner. That's a serious flaw, not just a stylistic varient.
And these are just problems in wing chun's specialist range - the issue of other ranges is almost a seperate topic.
Thanks for actually TALKING about some of this stuff instead of just trying to imply we must be a bunch of uncultured lout blind to the obvious superiority of the fighting arts of the orient.
8/08/2005 3:53pm, #48Originally Posted by Amp
WC students shouldn't be training against "other arts"...they should be training to cover openings...it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or MT guy trying to slip that opening...cover the opening and that's that.
8/08/2005 4:01pm, #49
Yeah, the only time my Wing Chun handwork comes out is when someone does the whole "centerline" thing with the vertical punches. It works REAL WELL then. It's just not come up at any other point, when someone is punching like a boxer or some such.
I'm weird though. My response to being straightblasted is to stand my ground, throw up an interception and charge/clinch/GNP.Monkey Ninjas! Attack!
8/08/2005 4:39pm, #50
Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
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Is footwork not normal in WC or is the no-footwork thing a misconception?