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  1. JohnnyCache is offline
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    Counter some of them then. Explain how arm punching is better then real punching, or how planting your feet is better then moving them. I, personally, would be happy to see wing chun redeemed. Show some quality WC. It HURTS ME TO THINK that all WC is as bad as the WC I have seen thus far.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronen_y
    don't look at it as a "methood of self defence". Technique is the less important thing. Improving skills to react quickly and effectivly is the important part of WC.
    For you who diss chi sau - It's a TRANING system! you don't use it in a fight! You use the skills you achived from it in a fight
    And no, It's not the best MA, cause there is no such thing. But it is for sure not the worst
    Read this to yourself and replace WC with the name of any other martial art or random activity. Would it make sense then? If it's reaction time that matters, then the time I've spent playing Halo is all I really need for street defense. All my time downloading pr0n accounts for my "training system" and if I'm ever attacked by a 24-lesbian orgy I am SO ready.

    It's not the art that sucks, it's the un-realistic training. Since you probably can't and/or won't spar someone, go do a few "techniques" against a heavy bag while trying not to stand flat-footed. If you can't breathe easily and your hands start hurting fairly quickly, how are you going to handle hitting actual bone and how are you going to one-hit-kill a mobile opponent?

    Now, how does one use the search function again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronen_y
    So.. getting a little emotional aren't u all?
    Hope i've helped you get rid of some stress...
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    Quote Originally Posted by omega
    I cut and paste.
    Brilliant. Once again, you light the way sir[/asskiss]
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
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    Wing Chun's linear focus and poor footwork make it low powered.
    This doesn't really make a lot of sense. Perhaps your experience w/ the footwork was not a good one. I find the WC footwork I've learned excellent. Maybe it's because I weigh 230 pounds and am athletic...but my punches and kicks are far from "low powered".

    Wing Chun's defense isn't geared against techniques from other arts
    WC students shouldn't be training against "other arts"...they should be training to cover openings...it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or MT guy trying to slip that opening...cover the opening and that's that.

    Wing Chun attracts nutbar sinophiles.
    Totally agree here.

    Wing Chun has an excess of dumb politics and revisionist history.
    Most schools do. But so do other styles with interesting histories...In any case...it is not a function of the style...but a function of the morons attracted to it (see your comment above).

    Wing Chun proponents continually extend "Sport Vs Street" gap that doesn't make sense
    Many people who can't fight use this ignorant train of thought.

    Wing Chun produces almost no competitive fighters
    I really don't follow competitive fighting so I really can't speak on this. But I believe you.

    I have never met a WCer in person who could fight.
    Sorry to hear that. I'm in NC and would love to meet you.

    I have never seen video of a WCer fighting well.
    Sorry again. I really haven't either...but honestly...I have seen very few non-competitive martial arts videos of actual fighting ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grond
    You get a bunch of guys who just spout the party line and think because an internet martial arts community has successfully indoctrinated each other into believing something, then its true. Then all examples to the contrary will be ignored.
    Err, which examples to the contrary? Never saw a decent WC fighter doing a decent fight using WC.
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    I simply find that WC footwork is very linear. It looks like it's happening on a fencing salle, and it's not generally synched to the handwork, which is probably IMO the MOST important factor in hard striking.

    The WC I've seen also doesn't zone well up and down the body.

    I'm saying WC defense work DOESN'T cover gaps well - look at the thread on the forum now called "Wing Chun Videos" - tell me those guys are covering well.

    Wing chun seems to rely on a blitz offense, the blitz offense in question doesn't seem to take into account anyone who doesn't move like a wing chunner. That's a serious flaw, not just a stylistic varient.

    And these are just problems in wing chun's specialist range - the issue of other ranges is almost a seperate topic.

    Thanks for actually TALKING about some of this stuff instead of just trying to imply we must be a bunch of uncultured lout blind to the obvious superiority of the fighting arts of the orient.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amp
    This doesn't really make a lot of sense. Perhaps your experience w/ the footwork was not a good one. I find the WC footwork I've learned excellent. Maybe it's because I weigh 230 pounds and am athletic...but my punches and kicks are far from "low powered".
    Are they as powerful as boxing/mt strikes? Do you find them effective against other striking styles?

    WC students shouldn't be training against "other arts"...they should be training to cover openings...it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or MT guy trying to slip that opening...cover the opening and that's that.
    How do you make sure you're covering all the openings? Do you spar trained MT or boxing fighters?
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    Yeah, the only time my Wing Chun handwork comes out is when someone does the whole "centerline" thing with the vertical punches. It works REAL WELL then. It's just not come up at any other point, when someone is punching like a boxer or some such.

    I'm weird though. My response to being straightblasted is to stand my ground, throw up an interception and charge/clinch/GNP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
    Wing Chun's linear focus and poor footwork make it low powered.
    Upon almost certain pain of death I enter this thread. Can you expound on the footwork thing a bit more? We practice quite a bit of footwork and when I spar I'm nearly always on the move.

    Is footwork not normal in WC or is the no-footwork thing a misconception?
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